Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26912075-20180126234947/@comment-27659575-20180127153007

Kakorat wrote:

Nabukun wrote: I think there are many series that would fit you way better than Jojo and I have no idea why you're losing your time shitting on this manga you don't understand. Well, I actually do like the manga as a whole. I do however think there are many problems narrative wise which I haven't seen talked about simply because you're not supposed to criticize Jojo. I just want to create a discussion over the manga's faults and see what others think. That's all. I said "don't understand", not "don't like". The quality of a work isn't judged by how many universal criteria it checks up, like you seem to think. It's judged by identifying what the author want to do and say, and seeing how well he accomplishes that with his work. I'd like you to tell me what does Araki want to do and say when he writes and draws Jojo.

Jojo is not perfect by any mean, but it's made by a man with a special outlook on the world. Like, you do believe in destiny? Araki does wholeheartedly. Do you believe in a higher power delivering justice? Araki does, even if he doesn't identify that as "God". Jojo and Araki have their own logic that doesn't ring with everyone. If you don't get the small logical shortcuts here and there and above all don't get the logic in Jojo's writing of course you won't like the ending since they don't make sense TO YOU.

Even then, the endings should make sense to you.

Part2: The Stone of Aja is said to amplify light. How is the Ripple portrayed already? With light effects. Joseph instinctively put it in front of his hand, neither Kars nor Joseph could predict that. That was something utterly unforeseeable, Joseph literally felt that it was the right move while he was on the verge of death. And did you miss the part where Joseph said the rock he was on acted as his shield when he fell to the sea? That doesn't work in real life, but that's good enough for a comic book for kids.

Part3: Jotaro could slightly move in the frozen time before, is that that much of a stretch to think he could eventually stop time? Even before it was said SP and TW were "the same type of Stand". Did you miss that it merely gave Jotaro a fighting chance and wasn't that convenient? And I think you missed the triumphant and cathartic victory that should matter way more than a plot hole.

Part4: What do you even mean "shouting his name"? Hayato didn't know Kira's name. I agree that BtD is bullshit, but even I get that Kira wasn't supposed to be a threat but a persistant evil that keeps on surviving and that's why he's so difficult for the heroes.

Part5: Wow, Requiem a convenient powerup, when it's stated from the beginning of the idea's introduction that whoever gets pierced by the Arrow would gain a power able to surpass King Crimson. Even then, people keep on dismissing the long struggle to get that Arrow in the first place, and the sacrifice made. That Arrow was earned, dumbass.

Part6: The most controversial ending since it's entirely founded on Araki's logic. First Pucci's death being stupid? And why? Because Emporio did you the disc he was explicitely given before? Or used another OP use for WR which is OP? And I also hate that logic of "the character doesn't get a reward so his struggle is useless". Jolyne and co. literally sacrificed themselves so Pucci could be defeated and Emporio could be safe. He's safe, Pucci's defeated, their sacrifices counted. Do people even get selflessness these days?

Part7: If you accept Gyro's initial explanation of the Super Spin, which I don't see why you wouldn't since the premise of the Spin is already it being a miraculous phenomenon, the powerup is completely fine. The heroes again struggle for what 6 chapters to actually get that powerup, one of them dying because he failed to do so?

And even then, pretty much no explanation is required since it's expected from the Jojo's and their companions to pull through their ordeals, that's what heroes do. If you care about the characters, the simple fact that they triumph in the end alone should be enough for the reader. And Araki is constantly trying to make you care, he does it tremendously well. Jojo is not about plot, it's about the characters. Plot holes don't matter, what matters is that the characters get their due victory because they're good and their enemies are evil. Is that so hard to get?