Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-39718735-20200531230734/@comment-38952966-20200608220450

I think people have a lot of misconceptions about what the "strongest" Stands are. I generally see a trend of people overestimating how capable Stands like Made in Heaven and Bites The Dust are... while simultaneously underestimating how powerful King Crimson and D4C: Love Train are.

Made in Heaven has nearly unlimited speed, but that's it: it's strength and defenses are pretty average compared to other close range types. If you can predict it's path and get the timing right, it'll go down in one hit (assuming it's hit by a strong Stand). Bites The Dust has so many stipulations on it: it can only prevent the spread of one piece of information at a time, Kira doesn't retain memories between time loops, he can only place it on one host at a time, he can't place it on Stand users, he can't activate it manually, and he can't use any other form of Killer Queen while it's active. It's mostly worthless outside of the very specific context in which it was initially used.

Meanwhile, King Crimson can directly overpower even strong Stands like Sticky Fingers and Spice Girl, can accurately predict fate for up to 10 seconds, can selectively defy fate for 10 seconds, and can use this ability with seemingly less long-term consequences than the time-stop. Outside of something else that can defy fate, you cannot beat King Crimson in direct combat.

The same is true of D4C: Love Train. It has all the effects of the original D4C (it can avoid most damage, destroy anything, and has infinite extra lives) but also has an impenetrable barrier to protect him and can make any attack lethal. No Stand other than Tusk ACT 4 could actually beat it, and even then Johnny got a little bit lucky when he hit D4C itself instead of Valentine.