Board Thread:Manga Discussion/@comment-33204772-20190109170729/@comment-46564457-20200907231634

Kingasdfg wrote: Mystic Mania wrote: Even if he knew where Hanged Man was, he still needs to move in time to hit him, to begin with. But hey, even if Part 3 isn't lightspeed, that doesn't change my tiering for the villains at all, actually. If you'd like to be the guy to tell the entire VS community that FTL JoJo doesn't exist, then by all means.

Believe me I've been trying for years. Hanged Man is lightspeed, Made in Heaven and possibly Notorious BIG are faster, that's it. Star Platinum and Silver Chariot are the next fastest and they don't even come close.

As I said, hitting a 100mph baseball doesn't mean you move at 100mph.

In my opinion, the tiers should go like this.

1. D4C: Love Train. You've said it's purely defensive but a) it's completely and perfectly defensive and b) that's not even true. When Love Train is active, any damage Valentine inflicts moves to become lethal. That's how he killed Gyro. So if he hits you at all you lose, unless you have regen, but he has other ways to deal with that. He'd be much lower in the list without Love Train.

2. Made in Heaven. It's not all that physically capable but it's the only one on this list with lightspeed. It takes him a while to warm up but once he gets going he's almost unstoppable. If his manipulation of gravity allowed him to break through Love Train, I'd give him first place.

3. Ultimate Kars. He's got decent physical prowess but nothing remarkable compared to Stands. What he does have, though, is unsurpassed Hamon that can easily melt flesh and complete ridiculous adaptability and regen. Made in Heaven could one shot him and Valentine can send him to another world but everyone else would be fucked.

4. DIO. Compared to his original form, his vampiric powers have taken quite a hit. But he still has decent regen and all other weaknesses are compensated by The World. It's one of the most physically capable Stands in the series, combined with its time stop it's almost unstoppable. But it can't break through Love Train, reach Made in Heaven or take down ultimate Kars.

5. King Crimson. The only reason Diavolo is below DIO is because of DIO's regen. I personally think King Crimson has just as powerful an ability as The World, and combined with Epitaph, Diavolo should be unstoppable. But again, he doesn't have the ability to take out anyone higher on the list.

6. Killer Queen. In terms of physical prowess, Killer Queen is the lowest of any antagonist Stand, though still more capable than any vampire or Pillarman. Even though it's bomb ability gives it one-shot potential, it's just too slow to take out anyone else on this list.

7. Dio Brando. He's above human level, but not dramatically. Humans can keep up with him, even if it requires immense training, it's not impossible. Dio has better regen than his Part 3 counterpart and loads of vampiric powers, but none of that really matters since he's slower than even Killer Queen and can't see Stands. I completely agree with this. Personally I would put part 8s potential main villain at 2 but it may be too early to judge