Board Thread:Anime/Game Discussion/@comment-24127588-20200810162551/@comment-46625088-20200818035446

Kingasdfg wrote: Za Eartho wrote:

Your sitting here trying to educate someone on what an asspull is when you yourself don't even know what an asspull is. Gold Experience's abilities aren't an asspull because they are its abilities that have literally been established from the start literally beginning of Part 5 it shows that he can create life so you mark no sense. Diego with The World isn't an asspull it's part of the story all stand users who show up are asspulls because  you said he is an asspull because their was no indication to him coming, their is no indication of Hot Pants having Cream Starter, she just popped up with it so by your logic that is an asspull which is retarded to think that it is. Asspulls are used to help the main character. How does Diego having the World help Johnny? Araki didn't have to include that he put that in as fan service to the fans reading JoJo because he knew it was something we wanted to see since Diego is DIO. Asspulls are put their because the because the writer of whatever it is realized they messed up and have no other choice but to make up something to help the main character. Mate you can make up whatever definition you want for something as informal as an "asspull", but that doesn't change that Star Platinum and The World miraculously having the same ability (even though it's explicitly stated that's not supposed to be possible) is absolutely an asspull.

Gold Experience, like I said if you actually read my post, is only kind of an asspull. Yes, it's ability was established early on but some of the ways it develops over the series is far too convenient, to the point that it breaks the suspension of disbelief. Discovering how to heal in the Babyface fight was really well done, but suddenly being able to detect nearby life forms during the BIG arc, and being able to move his soul into an empty body during the Chariot Requiem arc where both kinda asspully. I actually agree with you for the most part, I think Gold Experience gets ragged on too much for this, but it would be remiss of me to not point out the actual issues.

Your point about Hot Pants reminds me that I did actually forget one of the intricacies of an asspull: it depends on the story's pacing. HP having Cream Starter was introduced early on in the story. Other Stand users, like the minor villains, aren't important enough to the overall story to be asspulls. So an asspull breaks the suspension of disbelief, while a good story introduces new powers/plot devices in a way that aids the pacing.

To clarify, I don't think Another World Diego himself is an asspull (he's actually essential to SBR's story) but rather the way he was introduced is. His role in the story is too big to be handwaved off as "Oh yeah Diego has The World in this other universe". The World is a big deal; it's one of the absolute most powerful Stands in the whole series. Plus, it's introduction kind of conflicts with Valentine's motivations. Is he really so petty as to send in Diego, who he has no reason to trust to fulfill his wishes of using the corpse for America, just to get his revenge on Johnny? And does that mean Valentine went looking for a version of Diego that had The World while he was being affected by the infinite rotation, or are we supposed to assume he got lucky with the first one? The story's more concerned with just getting Diego there than giving him a satisfying reason to be there. Girono didn't use an ability to put himself back into his body in the SCR arc, he got put back in because it was still alive unlike Polnareff and Bruno's bodies and because it no longer inhabited a soul within it. Also being able to detect life forms makes sense because it creates life. Also about Diego, Valentine went to get a Diego because he understood Diego's motives, Diego wanted to work hard towards the top and so Valentine knowing that when he finally found Diego when he was telling Diego about the corpse and stuff he also told him that it would make him the center of the world which is playing into Diego wanting to get to the top which is how and why Valentine knew he could trust him. Araki shows this by how he kept on having alternate universe Diego remember what Valentine told him throughout his fight with Johnny and when he finally got the corpse to the bunker. Also about Valentine finding a Diego with The World, Valentine had no way of knowing that the Diego he found had The World. To fully explain it, Diego in the main universe died technically because of Scary Monsters because it made it so that he had to be right up on his opponent to attack them. But the Diego with The World doesn't have to that because he can just Time Stop which is why he didn't die meaning that the reason why Valentine ended up finding a Diego with The World was because probably majority of Diego's who had Scary Monsters in other universes were dead by that point, which is why Valentine said something like, "Finally I found you" when he found Diego and he also likely said that because he couldn't go around and look for Diego in other worlds because he was under the effects of the Infinite Rotation which kept forcing him underground so he had to find a universe with a Diego already at the hole he was at. Diego from the Alternate Universe is different form main universe Diego because the Alternate Diego like DIO already believed himself to be at the top and saw everyone else as trash below him while main universe Diego didn't see himself at the top and wanted to work towards the top and saw those around him as equals and would also commemorate, honor, and respect people. Also for my explanation as to why I don't believe Star Platinum having Time Stop is an asspull is in one of my comments up above.