Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28702329-20181215114648/@comment-45419270-20200917202351

DewdOfStuff wrote: Ebitan34 wrote: DewdOfStuff wrote:
 * sigh* the reason he is concious is because time is flowing for him, if time isn't flowing for him he wouldn't be able to move

when he throws something, he temporarily grants it the ability to move in stopped time, allowing him to throw it.

time is only flowing for jotaro and dio, time isn't flowing for anything else, so gravity can't take effect

why would he say "time for everyone else will resume it's flow," that sounds stupid, and it's quicker to say "time has begun to move again," the only reason it sounds like it implies time doesn't move for jotaro is because you take it way too literally. that's like saying diavolo's "time, resume" implies that time is also erased for diavolo and kingu kurimuzon. jotaro says he can act in stopped time because he can act, because, guess what, time is only flowing for himself. actually, why are you taking their dialogue as evidence in the first place? you can't just expect them to say everything extremely literally. you don't hear pucci say, "with the creation of my new stand, i am able to speed up time and eventually reset the universe" Never in the whole of JJBA has Araki, Jotaro or Dio EVER said that during Time-stop, Time only flows for them but not for everyone else. All they say is that they can Move in stopped time.

Assuming that time only flows for them is purely headcanon unsupported by any statements throughout the JJBA manga.

Even the assumption itself is wrong because it contradicts with our observations throughout the manga that shows us 3 levels of mastery of the Time Stop.

Level 1, The person can only be concious during time stop. This applies to C-Moon Pucci and DIO when his TS is over and Jotaro stopped time instead.

Level 2, The person can only be concious and move during time stop. This applies to early-mid fight DIO's World Jotaro.

Level 3, The person can stop time, be concious and move during timestop. This applies to Post DIO Jotaro and DIO.

If Time truly only flows for the person who stopped time, it is impossible for DIO to only remain concious yet cannot move after Jotaro stopped time. If time indeed only flow for Jotaro but not DIO, DIO would not even have been concious after Jotaro stopped time pass DIO's limit.

If Time only flows for you, you will be able to act AND be concious. If Time DOES NOT flow for you, you will be able to do NEITHER. '''There is no such thing as time not flowing for you but you can only remain concious but unable to move because this defeats the entire idea of time NOT flowing for you in the first place. It is either you can ACT and be Concious or you TOTALLY cannot do anything. There is no in between because Time does not discriminate between conciousness and actions. If Time flows for you, you can do both, if time does not, you cannot do ANYTHING.'''

DIO being able to remain concious but unable to do anything else after his TS is up and Jotaro stopped time instead, completely destroys the idea that Time Stop stops time for eveyone but only flows for the TS user. Instead it supports the idea that Time is stopped for everyone, but only the active TS user can remain concious and act while the passive TS user whose TS ability has been used up only retains conciousness. It has nothing to do with Time flowing for anyone during Time stop.

To summarize:

1) The manga outright says that the TS characters are concious and can move in stopped time, but never mentioned that time only flows for them. Any notion that time only flows for them is pure headcannon unsupported by anything.

2) The progression of mastery of Time Stop outright contradicts the idea that Time flows for the TS characters during TS, if time isn't flowing for them everything you just said is irrelevant, that isn't how time works Try to debunk them instead of "eVerYthInG yOu sAiD iS iRreLevanT, tHiS iSn'T hOw tiMe wOrks."

Here's an important idea you can focus on debunking if you find the whole text too much to read : '''Time does not discriminate between conciousness and action. If time flows for a character, both are possible for him/her. If time does not flow for a chararacter, both are impossible for him/her. It is not possible for only action or conciousness to exist one at a time for a character if time does not flow for him/her. It is the ability of the character to move/be concious in stopped time that is the factor instead of time-flowing for him/her.'''

And also, time only flowing for the characters is headcanon on your part unsupported by any statements whether it is from the author or statements wihtin the manga, while my claims are literally the repetition of what the characters actually did and said. Your argument looks very weak in comparison since it mainly hinges on your headcanon of how time works.