Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26873003-20150819140137/@comment-26434595-20150820153450

I'm aware of the fact that White Album's absolute zero don't stop movement immediatly, that's why the armor make him so hard to get, if you look back at the chapters of the fight you can notice that barely any hit succeed to harm the user, so it's an extremly good defensive Stand and I can say that it's the ultimate defense (not really there better but let's pretend) because Stands like Green Day or Purple Haze can't do shit to this Stand since absolute zero would kill (or at least prevent to move) any virus or spores, and even close range stands like Sticky Fingers could maybe hit him once and put a zipper on him but the user can just riposte by breaking the Stands hand and thus cleaning the zipper for example. It can also freeze the air to prevent any surprise attack. Whatever I don't see any flaws to that power unless the stand shoot laser beams but other than that I don't know.

For Grateful Dead, that's why that's just a supposition because it would make sense to send someone who will not kill your target but I still think it's a pretty worth Stand to own and even the best long range Stand of this Part (Green Day's molds can be avoided without difficulty if the trick is spotted or if you have a Suit Stand and Beach Boy is great and deadlier so it deserve a better rank but it still need to find its target before striking).

For Man in the Mirror, I think it's more safe to assume all Stands are not allow no matter their nature because Illuso seem pretty confident that Fugo can't do anything even if he doesn't know the powers of his Stand (it might also never tested it on bound Stands but that's not really a possibility since he was part of an assassination team in an organisation where 90% of people do have Stands (Am I overthinking it ?)). It doesn't matter if your Stand is quick, because the user of Man in the Mirror is allowed to move very far in the world of mirror while his victims are not so he can basically : Drag you into the world of mirror, run away in the world of mirror while the Stand disarm you (with an average speed for Stands, no need to catch the bullets just preventing to aim), and the user can safelly get out of the world of mirror at some 100 or 200 meters and there's nothing you can do about it. That Stand can be incredibly good if you use it properly.

I guess you're right for B.I.G.

What's make Chariot Requiem not that good to me is that the ability to turn Stands against their users is not working for some (Mr. President doesn't attack Polnareff) and by the way Stands seem to neutralise their users not killing them (because let's be realistic, Sticky Finger would one shot Buccellati). And it's kinda like Green Day where the Stand seem very good but it's not great if you find how to beat it (and it's pretty easy too, not like Grateful Dead where you need to find something cold). So not a fan of that guy, also because if you look at your Tier 1 you will notice that only Chariot Requiem can be beat so easly, the other require time-related ability or are just flat out immortals.

Yeah but Kraft Work don't works unless it touch the thing so even Soft Machine would be enough to beat him and also projetile Stand should be able to beat him by touching every projectile stuck into each other (Aerosmith would actually destroy him with one gust) the same way Mista did. I don't think he deserve the Tier 2 considering unlike White Album he have obvious flaws. (BTW stopping the Earth rotation would kill him as well so not the best strategy).

Soft Machine is an average speed and have some nice tricks to get to his prey (like deflating himself or using camouflage by putting on a person already deflaten, gory but if it works for boats I assume it work).It doesn't need to be reallly fast in that way since it's aiming at a human. So not the best but not the worst too.

Aerosmith can actually shine if it fight a close range Stand since it can track you and get you from a distance (also, he's pretty powerful for a long range Stand). But I actually don't think it can belong to the Tier 2, maybe like gold experience and right between the tier 2 an 3.

In your Tier 2 : I would probably put the obvs : Sticky Fingers, Purple Haze, Oasis, Beach Boy, then White Album because I've argue enough about this guy, Chariot Requiem and Man in the Mirror( I have a doubt for that Stand because it's good but it's also more situational than other Stands from this Tier). I've already said that Kraft Work is not that good to me, Geen Day is meaningless by itself you can stand still and it won't affect you, that's Oasis who make the combo shine and Silver Chariot is good but I don't know if I should put him or not, because a lot of Stands do have an A in Speed even in Tier 3 and I don't know if removing his armor is enough.