Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28702329-20181215114648/@comment-45413951-20200424074110

Kingasdfg wrote: ButterMilkPancake wrote: Kingasdfg wrote: "Facts"? 98% of that post is speculation, hell most of this argument is speculation, since we have no idea how either of these abilities would work in relation to each other.

But somehow that post misinterpreted one of the only facts we actually know to be 100% true: Star Platinum/The World actually stops time. They don't stack up actions that then occur once time flows again; they don't just slow down time to the point that is seems like time stops; they actually stop time. If King Crimson can erase time, then he cannot erase any actions that occur while time isn't flowing.

DIO's actions do not occur during a supposed "0 second" period that Diavolo can then erase. DIO's actions do not occur within linear time. King Crimson cannot erase those actions. That would make no sense.

See, you're using the name "Time erasure" and "erasing time" when this is a common misconception when it comes to KC. He does not erase time, he simply skips from point A to point B. Anything that only happened during then still happened, but nobody knows it did except for Diavolo. Time stop still happened, but since it was still in between the two times, everything that happened (Jotaro/DIO punching what they think to be Diavolo) still is inside the erase as the erase is the time between point A and point B. Time stop still happens but the events that occured during timestop still get skipped over. Lets say during TE, Trish barrages with Spice Girl and then stops before TE ends. Trish wouldn't rememeber barraging and it essentially didn't happen unless she was softening something. The events still exist inside TE, that's why the pillar falls. For walking to the car explanation earlier, only Diavolo knows the man walked to the car. Only Diavolo knows DIO stopped time. If Spice GIrl continued her barrage, she would still be barraging. If time stop was instead it freezing everything in place but time technically continues (Including KC's ability) then the timestop would work once TE ended. I know this all wasn't stated in this one comment, but I've been reading over this as it sparked my interest and so this is in response to many comments by many people. Even if time isn't flowing, it still is in the area of TE from XX:XX:XX to XX:XX:XX. It doesn't matter that time isn't flowing, it matters that it's in-between those two times even though time was frozen. What I think would happen is Diavolo would use TE, DIO uses TS during TE, Diavolo donuts him, and DIO uses TS right when he gets punched. He then heals to regenerate the wound and donut/barrage Diavolo. Epitaph would only be able to see the future and avoid the fate if Diavolo knew DIO was a vampire (doubt it) and that he also knew to go for the head (also doubt it, he'd have to hit DIO to find out and by then DIO would be able to TS.) I don't really know how cooldowns work, but I think the abilities use energy and stamina. TE can be spammed as long as Diavolo currently has the stamina. TS could be used over and over on the staircase and in the car. DIO didn't TS immediately against Jotaro because he was testing himself against SP. DIO's actions are within the TE because it's still between the time he "erased time" and TE ended. Again, even if time is stopped doesn't mean it isn't in TE, since it's between point A and point B. I don't believed in queued up actions, this isn't a game. But DIO would be following his fate to time stop and Diavolo would avoid his fate of death. My end point, TS is still contained within TE and therefore be "erased completely" as it would never extend out of TE unless used before TE began or after TE ended. So it really is during the "erased time" as the event of time being stopped is in it, so is the time stop. I know it's a bit weird and I totally see where you're coming from, that if time isn't moving you can't erase it. But for me TE is again, a misnomer. TS doesn't get skipped, it still happens, but none of the events during TS against Diavolo happen and DIO is still going to do what he was fated to do. The main problem with this is that it's not at all true. Diavolo is erasing time, that's not up for contention. That's why Diavolo is completely invulnerable within its effects and why he can use it to change Epitaph's otherwise-definite predictions.

That's also not how time stop works, either. You can't say time stop would be skipped past because it occurs between two times because it doesn't. That's my point. Time stop should not be affected by anything that measures with real world time measurements because it occurs outside of linear time. That's the whole point. DIO's stops time for 9 seconds. KC erases time for 10 seconds. In the 'erased' time. People have no recollection of what is happening. When DIO stops time, time completely stops. Which means that when KC erases time, TS will still be in effect.