Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26873003-20150819140137/@comment-26873003-20150820180630

I will leave White Album for the end.

As for Grateful Dead, as I said before, it is a powerful Stand, but has a lot of glaring weaknesses. Even if you have very little cooling, the aging process is very slow, (as opposed to Sethan) and thus requires the user of Grateful Dead to come really close in order to cause the aging to accelerate. And it's not a Stand created for close range combat, hence it's situational.

About those bound Stands and Man in the Mirror, you are overthinking that. As I mentioned before, Man in the Mirror is a very powerful Stand, but only in very certain conditions. It only takes running away from mirror's sight to successfuly prevent oneself from being dragged into the mirror. And Illuso can't run that fast between mirrors, and can't even begin his attack if there is no reflective surface to begin with. To finally conclude, it's the same thing as with Grateful Dead, very powerful, but also highly situational.

I don't understand what is unclear for you about Chariot Requiem, if Polnareff hadn't died, he would be able to turn ANY Stand against its user, as well as put any user to sleep. It is a broken ability, hence Tier 1. And by the way, how was Mr. President supposed to attack Polnareff?

Soft Machine has a form of one hit one kill ability, but it has to hit first. It gets countered by any long/medium range Stand, as well as all fast close range ones. With its very small range, as well as abysmal speed, it has to, as you said be stealthy, and there are better stealth Stands out there. As you said, not the best but not the worst.

Aerosmith gets countered by any, and I mean any kind of fast Stand. Even Bad Company from Part 4 would beat it no problem. Even Tower of Grey or Geb from Part 3. Any fast Stand or Stand with longer range you can imagine, can beat Aerosmith's ass.

You still don't understand how Kraft Work works. Anything, and I mean anything that touches him or the user (and vice versa), will stop in its tracks immediately. Soft Machine can beat it you say? No chance. The moment the blade would touch Kraft Work, it would stop in one place. No close range Stand can defeat Kraft Work without any tricks. It could even beat King Crimson in right circuimstances. There are millions of uses of Kraft Work, and I think you can imagine some of them. Even in the fight with White Album, if Kraft Work would touch the suit, it would prevent any air from coming inside, effectively choking Ghiaccio.

I will say it one more time. White Album is indeed a very powerful Stand. It does have its faults though, and they are glaring. Just because Sex Pistols was barely able to defeat it, it doesn't mean that it's almost unbeatable by any kind of Stand. Metallica for example, could just create a blade inside Ghiaccio's body, end of fight. Green Day's mold appears directly on any living thing, so White Album suit would be useless. I really like White Album as a Stand, but any kind of attack fast enough would break through the armor, since even absolute zero takes time to stop things. Silver Chariot's attacks for example, or those of Star Platinum. Even Bad Company's bullets (which are really fast) would be able to break through the armor. Still, if I could I would put White Album in Tier 2.5.

As for Green Day, if the user would position himself in any kind of valley, canion, or any depression, he would be untouchable, unless via some very long range Stands.