Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-39718735-20200531230734

That's it: Pucci managed to rewind the world and modify people's perception of fate as he seemed fit, and if he wouldn't be stopped by Emporio his will would've been absolute. Everyone else tied to their fate but him, and no matter which excuse is said to benefit GER, the "most powerful being ever in fiction" didn't do anything in the end.

The people affected by MiH was going to remain alive in the new universe since it'll only replace those directly killed by Pucci, thus Giorno had nothing against Pucci's intentions: no, it's only said in Made In Heaven's description than the dead won't pass to the new world, making no distinction regarding the cause of death. Anyone dead would be replaced by an alternate counterpart that would know their fate. Pucci in his insanity considered all those people "acceptable sacrifices to reach heaven". However let's assume the description was changed and it would only erase those killed by MiH... then how would GER even know about that? It was never ever said that one of GER powers is omniscience.

GER protected Giorno and didn't interfere with MiH's rewind:  It's possible GER may have rewinded specific objects that would've tried to harm Giorno (although those objects would've attacked him immediately after the rewind, thus if he was ever in danger, GER would probably protect him as a normal stand) or even avoided the effects of MiH on itself at all (Although I doubt it, MiH's effects were not aimed against Giorno but all the universe, he'd have to force back that entire change). yet I've got one question... why would it work that way?

Giorno, albeit ruthless, is a noble person at his core. People was dying all around the world due to the acceleration: machines like cars malfunctioning, things falling way faster than they should over people... I wouldn't think it'd be farfetched if perhaps half (or more) of mankind was killed during the accelerated time. And that's millions of times worse than selling drugs to some kids! If Giorno'd have a thing to say he'd have beaten the crap out of Pucci and Made In Heaven wouldn't have killed a single person.

However, it can be said that GER's own personality is the issue, that it's indeed selfish and doesn't give a crap about others but Giorno, ala Dr Manhattan. I heavily doubt that: a stand reflects the personality of its user, unless Giorno would be unable to control it in the same way Masazo Kinoto was unable to control her stand (not in a deadly way but in one that erases the user's agency). Yet Giorno spoke all the time about "actions born out of righteousness" and GER complied: Diavolo wouldn't reach the truth by manipulating reality to suit his evil desires. GER's indeed a good entity, he's not apathetic or evil.

Or does it justifies an action if it's supposedly good from the POV of the one that commits them (Pucci believes what he did was right)? then it would be far more limited than originally thought.

Giorno would've agreed with Pucci, thus he didn't interfered: the core reason of GER's origin was to counter King Crimson, a stand that could foresee and arrange fate itself in favor of its user. GER powers allowed Giorno to literally break fate! Giorno should've been killed by Diavolo right away as predicted by Epitaph (then Trish, Mista and Polnareff) and he would have remained as Passione's boss, gaining money from ruining the lives of lots of children: GER was born to erradicate that unfair fate, Giorno would've never resigned to fate and considered we all should be chained by it. That assumption goes against the entire ideology of the character.

Giorno didn't know about Made In Heaven, that's the reason he didn't set it to zero: so Giorno's GER would be unable to act against something he doesn't know? Then how many other effects could do the same? If GER can't rewind what he doesn't know about then if a stand ability is able to instantly kill Giorno (and thus vanish GER, since any post-mortem stand shown is bounded to some object or person - and no, the fact GER is tailor made to counteract any action that would harm Giorno doesn't mean it'll be perfect at it: Silver Chariot Requiem was made to protect the arrow, yet Diavolo figured out how to defeat it, Requiems are far from being perfect) it should work as long as GER doesn't know about it.

That also applies to its range, which is said to be null. Not knowing where Pucci is shouldn't be an impediment to GER at all if it's so powerful.

General limits of GER's stated ability: now that I think about it there are so many other things that can beat that ability it's insane how much overstimation there is surrounding it: picture a meteor going to crash over Rome: Rewinding it back? It'll eventually return to it's previous course. Erasing it from existance (I've read people on this very site exaggerating GER's power to that absurd point)? No, it was never ever said or insinuated GER can even do that. Stop inventing powers for it. Punching it to pieces? The strongest canon stand at least till part 6 (like it or not it's the very author's word, deal with it), Star Platinum has limits to its strength, I doubt it would be able to destroy a meteor as big as a football field, so GER has no chance.

Now let's add someone powerful enough to throw that meteor, even if that action's rewinded GER may not be able to kill that someone by sheer force if it has enough endurance or is literally unable to die (it was never said GER has infinite strength, or that it can kill anything). The infinite death loop's actually more like an overkill than a truly offensive power.

I'd also add that one limitation: despite it being said that GER is unbounded by time and casualty that's absolutely false: GER has an origin in time caused by a chain of events. He can't for example set things before its existance to zero or he may risk his own origin (so many people saying he would reset things like Kars evolution while ignoring the possible butterfly effect that might even erase Giorno's birth from history), that's surely the main reason he never revived Narancia, Abbachio or Bucciarati (even when he's designed to defy fate altering powers he never did anything about that). 