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Nixeu wrote: Infant&#039;s Isopod wrote:

Boysmith2003 wrote: Well I don't think so. Doesn't GER's time loop function similarly to Killer Queen Bites The Dust's time loop? HAD can just react faster than the loop (due to vampric stamina, speed and other enhanced stats) Boom, TWOH erases GER and the loop is nulified. It's not a time loop. And, like I said, TWOH can only activate its reality-warping power by striking objects, similarly to how Gold Experience and Sticky Fingers function.

And, no, GER is implied to have stats beyond our own comprehension since it has 'NULL' in every single stat (which is obviously done just to display its power and isn't meant to be taken literally considering it punches Diavolo into a river). Since Made in Heaven, another Heaven Stand, only has one "weird" stat, that being an Infinity in Speed, it's likely that TWOH has normal Stand stats besides perhaps an Infinity in Destructive Power, which would put it well under GER in terms of strength, speed, durability, etc. I always took the stats on GER to be reference to its ability to reset things to zero. Hence, since it nullifies things, it has "null" for all stats. It seems like an indicator that stats are meaningless for GER, not necessarily that they're immeasurable or infinite, per say. It has limits, clearly, but they don't really matter that much. What does GER's destructive power matter when whatever it punches either comes to life or is death-looped? What does its speed matter if even time manipulation can't stop it? What does durability matter if it can reverse any damage? Etc.

I suspect that The World Over Heaven might actually be able to break out of the infinite death loop, now that I consider it, by punching either itself or HA DIO while in the loop, and using its power to overwrite reality. I think that's an option, I can't recall if Diavolo could use King Crimson or not in the loop. He couldn't, but I find it unlikely that stats are 'meaningless' for GER. Not everything it punches HAS to die or turn into a plant--it can probably destroy objects the same way any other destructive Stand can. That's why I don't think the stats are just for show, since it's really rare for Araki to do something for the sake of it being 'cool'. Most Stands have a reason for their stats, that being either A) Araki forgot, or B) it makes logical sense, which the former doesn't apply to this situation.

Made in Heaven, for example, literally had infinite speed potential. It would just continue getting faster the longer its time acceleration was active. A Stand with 'N/A' in a stat usually meant its appearance or ability didn't accomodate for that stat, such as an inanimate, harmless Stand having an N/A in Destructive Power because it is literally 'not applicable'.

No, Diavolo couldn't use King Crimson, nor Epitaph during the death loop. If GER could construct these very specific scenarios which would, no matter what he did, always result in his death, it would probably make sure he wouldn't be able to punch away incoming traffic with King Crimson or erase time in order to escape. Based on a brief bit of dialogue between Trish and Giorno after Diavolo "died", it's implied that GER doesn't really kill its targets. It just transports their souls to a pocket dimension where they repeatedly experience death without ever truly dying, doomed to never reach the end of their life. That's just my interpretation of it, but it seems to me like that's what Araki was implying.