Board Thread:Anime/Game Discussion/@comment-28920940-20170710055810/@comment-40261920-20200516231900

Nofasci wrote: Stone Ocean ending is SO bad guys at DP are trying to delay the animation, waiting for Araki agreed on rewriting it, or totally skip it.

A lot of people read more on it than is actually depicted, searching for some kind of redemption for a totally wrong approach.

Truth is painfull.

Pucci created a new pocket universe that repeat itself from a point to the triggering of acceleration. All living beings were transported and caged in that pocket universe. The only one that can change fate and things is Pucci itself. So practically speaking he's now invincible.

When Pucci die by his own hand, unable to trigger the cycle, that pocket universe expire. The "bubble" should pop and living beings should be brought back (that's depicted by the ant falling from void on earth).

Ok, that uncanny powerfull stand was defeated.

For some SUCKY reason instead of continue from the point in time acceleration started (and so have the main characters all dead at Cape Canaveral) the pocket universe "pop" months before, the datetime Pucci died in that pocket universe.

Ok, so character are not died! Nice move!

But... Araki had the wrong idea to mess up things stating that the universe after Pucci defeat wasn't the one we knew, but ANOTHER DIFFERENT ONE.

T_T Why that ?!?!?!?!?! It contradict everything! WHY!!?!?!?

Is an Universe with slightly changed details (well, MAJOR changes after all...). Oh, well, Irene/Joeline wasn't caged and Ankis/Anasui got the girl. But if you'll mind a bit, Irene got the Joestar mark.

The universe was regenerated differently (why?!) and whatever happened in the past... WHO KNOWS how happened.

Dio was there, no reason at all he shouldn't be there, but maybe called Pjotr and fought againt Jhollo Joestar in old France.

All the stories were not erased, but changed in a way you'll never knows. And so the stories that you liked so much... never happened. They struggled against Santana? No. "Ceasaaaaar!" - no. The moving story of Abbacchio - no. They happened in a way you'll never knows.

And the stupid thing is that Pucci is there the same T_T. He's called maybe Pollo and could the same meet Pjotr and get Made in Heaven.

Araki for the sole reason of creating an emotional set of 5 pages, halted the brain and triggered the WORST thing actually in literature, the "waking up from a dream" ending. That tell all of your emotions so far were fakes. With a string attached that make it even the worst possible version of this bad narrative: no "key" to reread the past, that now is totally unknown.

"This is the killer... no wait, the things are different now!"

"So... what?"

"I don't tell you."

I don't know the future of characters and NOT EVEN the past... I read NOTHING for years!

A large number of people that enjoyed JoJo barely dare to admit that such a good writer could do such a terrible mistake. But that's the truth - he did a mistake. He's human and could do mistakes - Stone Ocean ending is such mistake.

So, in the end, is not a matter of personal tastes, Part 6 ending is technically bad on an objective sense. Hoo boy, let's take this apart bit by bit.

"Stone Ocean ending is SO bad guys at DP are trying to delay the animation, waiting for Araki agreed on rewriting it, or totally skip it."

Source? Or is this some BS you read on one forum post once as a theory and took as fact?

"A lot of people read more on it than is actually depicted, searching for some kind of redemption for a totally wrong approach. Truth is painfull."

Oh please do tell me about how you are the prophet who magically knows the correct interperetation of all fiction. The people who you refer to actually have textual evidence and support for their interperetation, and you're response is essentially just shouting about how wrong they are and covering your ears.

"Pucci created a new pocket universe that repeat itself from a point to the triggering of acceleration. All living beings were transported and caged in that pocket universe. The only one that can change fate and things is Pucci itself. So practically speaking he's now invincible.

When Pucci die by his own hand, unable to trigger the cycle, that pocket universe expire. The "bubble" should pop and living beings should be brought back (that's depicted by the ant falling from void on earth)."

There's no "bubble", just the universe. It's not a pocket dimension or anything like that, it's just the universe as is. We see the diagram explaining the ability, and nowhere does it even imply that it's a pocket universe.

"Ok, that uncanny powerfull stand was defeated.

For some SUCKY reason instead of continue from the point in time acceleration started (and so have the main characters all dead at Cape Canaveral) the pocket universe "pop" months before, the datetime Pucci died in that pocket universe.

Ok, so character are not died! Nice move!"

Is it "SUCKY" or a "Nice move"?

"But... Araki had the wrong idea to mess up things stating that the universe after Pucci defeat wasn't the one we knew, but ANOTHER DIFFERENT ONE.

T_T Why that ?!?!?!?!?! It contradict everything! WHY!!?!?!?"

What exactly does it contradict? Oh right, your incorrect interperetation of the ability, my apologies.

"Is an Universe with slightly changed details (well, MAJOR changes after all...). Oh, well, Irene/Joeline wasn't caged and Ankis/Anasui got the girl. But if you'll mind a bit, Irene got the Joestar mark.

The universe was regenerated differently (why?!) and whatever happened in the past... WHO KNOWS how happened."

People have used textual evidence to figure out what happened, it's just a universe where Pucci never existed, that's all. There's no affirmation from Araki, but this interperetation at least works better and has more support than whatever you've come up with.

"Dio was there, no reason at all he shouldn't be there, but maybe called Pjotr and fought againt Jhollo Joestar in old France."

I can't even begin to figure out what you could possibly be trying to convey with THIS incomprehensible BS.

"All the stories were not erased, but changed in a way you'll never knows. And so the stories that you liked so much... never happened. They struggled against Santana? No. "Ceasaaaaar!" - no. The moving story of Abbacchio - no. They happened in a way you'll never knows."

Factually incorrect, the functionality of Made in Heaven guarantees that the events of parts 1-5 happen exactly the same way. The ability only allows Pucci to change fate, and Pucci is notably dead in this universe, so we know that everything that didn't directly involve him remains the same.

"And the stupid thing is that Pucci is there the same T_T . He's called maybe Pollo and could the same meet Pjotr and get Made in Heaven."

That's... You literally SEE Pucci die, and he is notably not present in the new universe. Like the pure fact that Irene isn't in prison is such obvious evidence that Pucci isn't in this universe, and therefore couldn't frame Jolyne for murder. Pay attention.

"Araki for the sole reason of creating an emotional set of 5 pages, halted the brain and triggered the WORST thing actually in literature, the "waking up from a dream" ending. That tell all of your emotions so far were fakes. With a string attached that make it even the worst possible version of this bad narrative: no "key" to reread the past, that now is totally unknown."

Again, the past is not unknown, it's the same. It's literally the same. It's not an example of the "it was all a dream trope", since everything in Part 6 happened, and it all lead to this ending. Everything that happened in Part 6 still mattered in the end.

"'This is the killer... no wait, the things are different now!'

'So... what?'

'I don't tell you.'

I don't know the future of characters and NOT EVEN the past... I read NOTHING for years!"

Once again, that is wrong. The crux of your entire argument is completely incorrect. Literally your only new point in this section is that you don't know the future. No shit. None of us know the future. By that logic all endings in any piece of fiction are objectively bad, and all sequels are objectively good.

"A large number of people that enjoyed JoJo barely dare to admit that such a good writer could do such a terrible mistake. But that's the truth - he did a mistake. He's human and could do mistakes - Stone Ocean ending is such mistake.

So, in the end, is not a matter of personal tastes, Part 6 ending is technically bad on an objective sense."

So ultimately your argument boils down to "I'm objectively correct". No evidence, no actual hard facts, just misinformed opinions that you're pushing as truth. You claim that it's not a matter of personal tastes, but personal tastes are the only argument that you provide. This entire post that you made is you pushing an unsupported opinion as fact. Good job.