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Kingasdfg wrote: We simply don't know enough about Giorno's role during part 6 to say definitively that GER lost. It's possible Giorno simply didn't have access to the arrow, and hence couldn't use Requiem.

That's one of my main points against GER: GER not being there is a weakness per se, Giorno having to use the arrow and not having it makes GER useless, compared to the assumption of it not being affected by time or casualty: if that stand is active on a certain time and each activation is bound to a cause (Giorno using the arrow) then it's not as powerful as people argue.

Even in the hypothetical that you presented, it's still likely that a fight would break out between the two of them. Pucci deemed anyone who knew about Made in Heaven and stood against him as a threat, since he couldn't manipulate their fates without killing them first. He had no personal grudge against Emporio and still felt it necessary to kill him.

The mere idea that Giorno would stand against Pucci would make him a threat in Pucci's eyes, so their would definitely be some attempt on Pucci's part to kill Giorno. Because let's assume Pucci does create a new universe. So what? If Giorno's against it, he's not gonna let sleeping dogs lie, he's still going to be after Pucci and hence still a threat that Pucci will have to confront at some point, which means fighting GER.

Actually Pucci didn't even know about GER. My point was that if he would, he may not dare to attack him straight ahead. Although you may argue he may even discard his plan if he knew such entity would oppose him, but one can counterargument he'd give it a try anyway (obtaining MiH without facing Giorno).

But even if, for some reason, Pucci is willing to play live and let live with Giorno and just wants to speed up the universe, I find it hard to believe that he could stand up to Giorno if he's got GER and is actively pursuing Pucci.

Back to square one, not every single stand fight has to be a 1 vs 1 in an obvious way for me. Giorno would inherently want to do something about that weird global phenomena yet he didn't. Be it for GER not having enough power or Giorno not having the arrow.