Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-39718735-20200605220409/@comment-39718735-20200718073910

Kingasdfg wrote: We can't say with certainty it's impossible for Diavolo to get behind Bruno. I know that's kind of a cop out but a lot of things in Jojo are contrived

It'd be impossibly contrived to do so without skipping time, Bucciarati would always notice him.

Kingasdfg wrote: Time skip can still be a useful tool to disorient or confuse your enemy, even without necessarily avoiding an attack.

Didn't say it could be used to distract. If the opponent doesn't perceive time of course he'd be distracted.

Kingasdfg wrote: It's pretty much impossible to predict what fate has in store for someone, we can't say with certainty it's impossible for Diavolo to get behind Bruno. I know that's kind of a cop out but a lot of things in Jojo are contrived.

The problem is contrived in this sense otherwise: in normal time Diavolo would tore a hole in the elevator, capture Trish and get instantly attacked by Bruno. He's never doing that succesfully without time-skip.

That fate is guided by Diavolo's will. Otherwise how would Trish reach him? How would Narancia die? It's not as if things would move by telekinesis towards him with or without time-skip. I'd say he has to do the deed personally only if he himself predicted himself doing so.

I know about that statement (erases the cause, leaves the result), yet what baffles me the most of that interpretation is that there should be a cause to erase beforehand. Otherwise you'd get like... two "Diavolos" at the same time during skipped time:

1) The "predicted" Diavolo: "the cause", who's not real and is the one who moves people undetected and interacts with things during time skip as a normal person would do, but without receiving damage.

2) The time skipping Diavolo, also intangible? You said he had to dodge the bullets, KC didn't work there in the same way it did against Risotto. Who would move around unbounded by fate.

Kingasdfg wrote: It's important to remember that Diavolo can't control what predictions he gets from Epitaph. It could be advantageous, or it could be disastrous, but it doesn't always show his death or his opponent's. It could just show damage or positioning. Never said the opposite, I never said Epitaph would always show a perfect future for him.

Lopsidedtest74 wrote: No King is right, if its fated to happen, it will happen even if Diavolo erases time. Diavolo doesn't have to perform the action inside erased time (and he can't anyways). So you mean Diavolo could just wait next to the elevator and Trish would lose his hand out of thin air, float and come to him even if he didn't erase time then? I really think Epitaph predictions have to be tied to the use of time-skip cause otherwise they make absolutely no sense.

Lopsidedtest74 wrote: Also there is a reason to erase time even if fate makes Diavolo kill someone (like backstabbing Buccellati in your case) since nobody can retain any memories during erased time. What's the point of a dead man retaining a memory when he's alone? I know the time-skip is great to mantain his identity in secret. Yet I don't refer to the purpose of Diavolo to use it, but to how it'd work when the foreseen fate is absurdly impossible to reach.