Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26873003-20150819140137/@comment-26434595-20150820111214

White Album can wrap himself in the aboslute zero and thus freezing any movement who come near him (this is already better than Kraft Work) plus the armor who make the rare chocks he can take completly useless, this Stand is seemigly invincible so putting it so low is just no that serious to me.

Grateful dead is pretty much OP just by having 1km of radius, and no having to fight in the train is not an avantage because they know the user is in, but in public, since he can make himself older to hide, with that radius and having to manage cold stuff (you are gonna run out off them eventually), the only option is runing (if you are not aging too much too). Plus I supsect the Stand to possibly aging anybody, cold drinks or not, but not doing it in the manga because he need to keep Trish and his partner alive.

For Man in the Mirror, no, "Suit Stand" are normal Stands so they stay out side (only stands like Khnum and Love Deluxe are bound to their user and they might even be affected by ripping your hair or your skin off). And for the gun : nah, any Stand are strong and quick enough to prevent anyone to draw and shoot a gun (at close range at least), especially because Man in the Mirror have a C in speed (just to give an idea Stands like the Fool also have a C, so not that fast but still a lot faster than humans. But Man in the Mirror can do a lot worst than that, because it don't need to be with the target in the mirror, he can just run away (and not f*cking explain his whole Stand's abilities for 15 mins) and at this moment you better have a long range Stand because if not you are just as dead and probably gonna starve to death. So not too good of a Stand but don't deserve the worst spot on the tiers list either.

Notorious B.I.G. might be invincible, but with the fact that you need to kill yourself to use it : Is it still a win for you ? I don't know it's a very wierd Stand anyway.

Actually Chariot Requiem is just too high for me since it doesn't attack at all, even with a user I doubt it would be good too since figuring out the trick pretty much defeat him no matter the Stand of the victim.

I don't get get why Kraft Work is that high becaus any Stand in his Tier would just crush him and I've already said that White Album is better in anyway.

And in my opinion Soft Machine should be in an upper tier since it's also a one shot kill (well not a kill but you're just good as dead)

I do also have things about Aerosmith beeing too low or Sex Pistols beeing too high but my fingers hurts a bit right now.