Board Thread:Anime/Game Discussion/@comment-29981284-20161228210504/@comment-4148373-20180914185831

Rio06 wrote: I know people might not want to discuss religion but I think Araki made it intentionally related to Christianity. For one, he named the villain Diavolo (literally means Devil) and then Giorno being the son of Dio (God). We all know the punishment dished out Jesus did to Satan, he condemns him to an eternal suffering. Lucifer (can be alluded to Doppio) fell after denying God's love because of pride. He believed he is the master of his own fate and Diavolo thinks of himself as the emperor and fate is something he governs. At the final confrontation, Diavolo was given a chance to accept that the arrow rejected him but he denies everything. GER acts as a manifestation of God in this case, as there's literally no way to stop it. He is eternally damned for all of the sins he committed.

Now, judging whether he deserved it or not is hard. Based on his actions, his murders and atrocities and ultimately him not feeling any remorse, regret or even thinks of himself in the wrong, I'd say he deserved it. He had the chance to die peacefully one time but still denies his wrongdoings until the very end. The infinite death served as his eternal damnation or hell (if he dies, he's going there anyway so all the same) and no amount of regret after it will save him from the suffering.

That is the message Araki wanted to impart I think, with all the references.

EDIT: Also, I just thought of it, Diavolo's birth was left ambigious. Her mother was impregnated in a prison, with no possible father as all guards and inmates are women. His mother doesn't even talk about it and she was killed mysteriously. This circumstance is closer to Jesus but since in theology, Lucifer was the most beautiful creature among God's creation before humans was created. Diavolo was adopted by a priest but he killed him too. Diavolo really is the devil that was prophecised to be punished by the son of God lol I don't really see how literary allusions and parallels actually justify anything. Like, at all. All metaphors break down at some point, and tend to be flawed in some area. In this case, I'd just like to point out that, by your logic, we should all worship Dio. I mean, I'm sure some people are all for that, but I suspect how some of them "worship" him is very...unorthodox, if you catch my drift.

Just because a character is based on, or parallels, another character, or even a real person, doesn't mean you can ascribe actions, or the consequences from those actions, from one to the other. Like...how deep does the parallel need to go, and should it go both ways? Because I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be out for IRL Vanilla Ice's blood after they've watched Part III, if it does.

And that's just one example. Is Pillar Man Santana secretly a really good guitarist? Is Carlos Santana actually an Aztec God of Fitness who casually consumes people? Should we punish half of Dire Straits for betraying Speedwagon? On a related note, would Dire still be alive if the band hadn't broken up? Where does the guilt-by-metaphor train stop? Because I'm pretty sure it leaves the tracks quite rapidly, and the driver is either passed out or high, so I don't think it's going to be stopping anywhere reasonable.

Edit: Or, just keeping this to Part 5, is Fugo Judas in this scenario? When did Lucifer get a daughter? Does that make Trish half-devil? When did Jesus' disciples put a fish hook through a guy's eyelid, use his glasses to burn his eyes, and then dance? I don't remember that part of the Bible. I guess Gio did curse a tree, which then died, that one time, so I'll give you that. Is Bruno Lazarus? Or is he John the Baptist?