Board Thread:Fanmade/@comment-31731691-20190816114648/@comment-38952966-20200604073857

DirePresent wrote: The effect does play at that moment, yet the background doesn't changes because GER activated right away. A visual effect? The rewind is not just a visual effect, it's exactly the way in which it works as it's shown, the blood goes back to Diavolo's hand, the bullets get back into Mista's gun. I don't think the anime would violate the manga canon in such way on this case. The only one that remembers things is DIavolo, the target of the ability. But him reminding what happened doesn't mean a thing! Doesn't Gyro remember what happened after Mandom rewinds time? Yeah people won't remember things after BtD gets activated but that doesn't mean all time rewinds work in the same way.

Gold Experience Requiem does not rewind time. RtZ and rewinding time are totally different things. Time rewind would not work against King Crimson because it straight up erases time. You couldn't rewind back into time that doesn't exist. Moreover, GER can still speak and interact with Diavolo during this erased time period. I've watched the scene in the anime and read the scene in the manga and never saw King Crimson's ability end before GER activated. The animation effect may play but that means very little. Literally in that same episode, David Productions changed canon from the manga when Diavolo stepped on the scorpion, which didn't happen in the manga and ignores Gold Experience's damage reflection ability. So perhaps it's just artistic licence?

I don't know why you brought up Mandom, though. Ringo gets to pick and choose who remembers between time rewinds and who doesn't. Johnny and Gyro did every time, but Hot Pants only remembered the first few times, when looping though the forest. Mandom is a time-related Stand, and not at all comparable to GER.

GER is not a time-related Stand, it's a causality related Stand. The standard rules of time and space clearly don't apply to it.

True, it may work that way. But only if GER would have enough power to contain that infinite and get it backwards, GER never faced an inifinite except in one indirect ocassion: when MiH got activated, I made another post treating that topic and no matter what excuse is said GER didn't do anything regarding that. Even when it's said if something has a beginning it could be set to zero doesn't mean that's necessary true in every single case.

The idea would be that any infinite summoned enery is relative to time (before and after). But GER itself is bound to time in a way: it has an origin. GER couldn't put the boss in the death loop before existing. So why would it be impossible for it to be conditioned by time in another way?

I'm not arguing that GER is necessarily more powerful than Tusk ACT 4, just that it's hard to tell. Just as GER is technically acausal, you could argue the infinite rotation is also "technically" acausal. GER has better feats than Tusk ACT 4, but it's really hard to say for sure who would win.

Additionally, I don't believe Giorno had GER during the events of Stone Ocean, since it seems like he lost it after the Requiem arrow fell off its head when it beat Diavolo. That's probably why he didn't use GER to stop Pucci, and why Giorno decided not to destroy the arrow at the end of Vento Aureo. If GER was permanent, then there'd be no need for him to keep the arrow around.