Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-39718735-20200531230734/@comment-39718735-20200607185608

Kingasdfg wrote:

From what we can see of it though, GER does seem to be invincible at least, as well as extremely powerful against other Stands, even other combat-oriented Stands like King Crimson. It's just that Giorno only has limited access to it.

We don't know how limited that access is. We don't know what the limits of GER's ability are. We can't even definitely say we know its range. There's so little information regarding GER since we only see it in one fight, and briefly at that.

We do know that it can defy time and even fate. We know that Giorno has some degree of manual control over it,  and that it activates automatically to protect Giorno. We know that it can directly overpower a Stand as strong as King Crimson, one of the top-tier close range types. And we know that it allows Giorno to fly, something no other Stand in the series can do (except kind of Made in Heaven? There are moments when Pucci's definitely flying with it but later he gets stuck in the ocean so it's limited to some degree)

While GER has very intense limitations on the act of summoning it (reminds me of Tusk ACT 4, actually)  the actual Stand itself, independent of its summoning method, overpowers just about every other Stand in the series based on what we know.

We can speculate the exact limitations of GER till the cows come home, but unless new information gets revealed, we can't treat any of it as accurate or reliable.

That said, I've got a post on here somewhere about why, at least thematically, GER deserves to be and should be the most powerful Stand. That'd ignore a possible glarying weakness! Giorno not having access to the stand when he needs it makes it pointless. Yes, it may be "invincible" when facing an opponent face to face, but if it's not there to face the opponent it is pointless as a stand.

You accuse me of doing too many assumptions when you're doing the same. You say we'd considerate it as the strongest stand ever when as you said we don't know its range.

Floating a little makes it the strongest stand ever? You mention flying as if he'd be able to go through the skies like Superman when it only floated a little. Even DIO seemed to float on stopped time due to gravity and time shenanigans, yet he wouldn't be invincible against several stand abilities.

It overpowers any stand based on what we know? Please, we'd never seen it going directly against a time stopping stand (said by Araki himself to be the "strongest, most invincible" stand after all, and yeah I know there's a lot of conditional things that can be said (SP not damaging SHA, that it wouldn't save Jotaro from Death 13 or Superfly, etc), yet given that's said in part 6 is mostly about Time Stop we'd not discard the possibility); an infinite stand like Tusk 4 or MiH. And since it never did that it's uncertain how things would be. Yes, GER may be permanent, omniscient and selfish and may stomp all those examples but it's not known!

Every single stand ability in this series has a weakness no matter how overpowered it seems: Ultimate Kars, The World, Tusk 4, D4C: Love Train, MiH, Bohemian Rhapsody. All of them could be bested under the right circumstances. GER being a literal undefiable and permanent god would go totally against the spirit of the series.