Thread:MetallicKaiser/@comment-26160153-20160909165645/@comment-4110939-20160912053330

MetallicKaiser wrote: Can you expand upon this a bit? You gave the examples of fatherless-ness and characters sharing similar hair styles. I was mentioning that those are occurences within real life, not directly planned produced by the author on a writing level.

"During W, X says 'Z'. This is the same line said by Y during U" can be valid trivia. Yes, people say the same statements and phrases all of the time. However, when done in the context of a story, it creates parallelism. I'm not saying this with Z being something common and simple like 'hello' in mind. Z has to be a character-defining or otherwise story-progressing phrase. W and U can be two totally different parts. An example would be Daniel J. D'arby and Miraschon. They both say "Good!' when their bet is accepted. This is clearly a case of parallelism at work because it was planned and written in, character-defining to boot because it's noteworthy to the individual characters' personalities, and to a degree, progressing the story with dialogue.

"X's Stand shares similarities with Y, being able to Z, and W" is also valid trivia. No, Z and W are not "float" and "rapidly punch". An example would be a very specific scenario where two abilities generate similar if not the same results due to usage interchangeability (say, a Stand that has the power to nullify friction can be compared to just one of the capabilities of Soft & Wet). These coincidences are generated within a story element context; Stands. Maybe the author didn't plan it, but it's not a by-product of a human/natural act such as speaking, but existing traits and elements within the literature.

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I just think it's really non-inclusive to those who just want to stop by and pick up a fact or two on the subject. As a wiki, this information must be comprehensive and ready to anyone, why must we rid the wiki of it simply because the series itself exists? The things being proposed are narrowing down the information on the wiki to just "If you want the full coverage and facts of the subject, then why are you here? Go experience the series already". That's not the job of any wikia to tell its visitors. The opposite, actually. "If you want the full coverage and facts of the series even if you had read it three times over already, try here. You might learn a thing or two that you didn't catch". More likely than any other type of knowledge, trivia is the "thing they didn't catch". They could catch what a character looks like, a majority of their personality, or what their role in the story was, but, even if present in the literature, they might not catch something like "Stand ability or character trait/quirk influenced by the content of the song it took its name from".

Yes, it's coincidence and at the very least, speculation. But as it is within the subject of the wiki, it's valid information that could be presented to a reader on the basis that it's not nonsense or composed of complex speculation. Example: We have no definitive proof that Narancia's androgynous features were due to one of Aerosmith's songs being "Dude Looks Like a Lady", but that conclusion was not drawn from the same sense of 'analysis' as "Will is the only dark-haired Zeppeli protagonist". It's also information that could be taken at face-value with no further input as well, unlike the opposite end of the spectrum, "It's possible that the Joestars are the Stand of the Earth", which requires a long, drawn-out, and convoluted explanation as to why that is so much as possible, and easily disagreed with.

Certain kinds of 'coincidences' can even be valid trivia, if they happen within the aforementioned "context of the literature", as well as follow the "not a simple fact that probably wasn't planned, but not 90% theory either". Josuke and Giorno share the ability to heal but through different means, which is a coincidence, as their abilities are meant to progress the story, not to be similar to each other as main protagonists; This may end up as trivia. It's this kind of food for thought information that could be on a wiki. These facts are the result of occurences within the story, and because of that, even if they're coincidence, are of sound and simple reasoning enough to be noteworthy, not nitpicky rambling in an attempt to get an unconfirmed, even unpopular theory   on the level of "Game Theorists" in the trivia section.

We need valid information that can be in the trivia section, yes, but what we also don't want to happen is potentially important knowledge that strengthens our understanding of a subject lost to readers because it had was written on the basis that it was "possible" or "coincidence". We also cannot exclude strangers and be gatekeepers to the wikia by not having core facts about a subject present just because it's one of the first things stated in the series. Why I asked you if you had visited a wiki to just visit without ever getting into the series was because I wanted you to think "If I visit this wiki, and the conclusion I draw from the information present as a whole is just it telling me to go experience the series myself, then why am I on the wiki? Why is it absolutely necessary that I read/watch the series itself for the whole story when the online encyclopedia for it is right here in front of me?".