Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26873003-20150819140137/@comment-26434595-20150820214016

I don't remember any mention on the power of Grateful Dead being less effective the longer you are from him, Pesci mention only that aging is more or less random since people react differently to the Stand other than that the range is extremly large and you are going to get slow down by the aging meaning the user can get closer to you. So I don't see why Grateful Dead is Tier 4.

For Man in the Mirror, yeah if you want to run from mirrors you can but you are not gonna be able to get him either and I'm pretty sure that a Stand that attack from any reflecting surface so it might be trying to get you from water or (I don't think he can but whatever) maybe by the pupil of someone. The user is basically invincible  and the Stand allow to be patient to strike, for me Tier 4 is just too low.

I have to make a correction Stands can be turn against their owner only if they tried to get the arrow otherwise Chariot would do it at the first attack so not that broken, the only thing I would consider broken is if Chariot could switch people's mind with plants or small insects for example but that's probably not the case. I don't know just because he's easy to beat once you know how to do it, for me it doesn't deserve the top of the tiers list.

For Soft Machine, nah for me he do have largly enough tool to strike but whatever I don't really want to defend that one

For Kraft Work, yeah Soft Machine would beat him because it need just one touch to deflat someone and Kraft Work need to touch to stuck in place things, the blade would hit him before getting freeze (like the bullet from Mista) so I think Soft Machine have pretty good chances to win (but I also think it's kinda one of the best counter for that Stand so it doesn't mean much). Anyway I didn't say tha Kraft Work don't have a lot of application, I'm just saying any stand with projectiles can beat him easly and about close range Stands : any close range Stand of the tier 2 can counter him (Sticky Fingers would just use a zipper and rip his face in two, Oasis would just melt his brain, and Purple Haze can just burst on of his capsules, except Silver Chariot but since I'm not sure of what rank he should have it doesn't bother me). And if you want to talk about a fight between Kraft Work and White Album, first of White Album doesn't need to touch you to be effective and if Kraft Work manage to touch White Album, Kraft Work's user is basically gonna freeze to death before Ghiaccio can suffocate. And I don't think it can stuck the air either otherwise he would use it to prevent Mista's bullet to reach.

I guess aerosmith work more on a rock paper scissor way than other Stand because he can destroy close-range Stands but get stomped by long range Stands.

For the last time his armor can prevent heavy hit to harm its user, bullets cannot reach him (they will even bounce back to their own) and even Bad Company's bullets won't (they are even weaker than regular bullets). Since its unclear how Metalica can get itself in the opponant's body, that's a bad example, Silver Chariot and Star Platinum that's kinda the same thing :Star Platinum (which I mean that's already one of the best Stand so the comparison is a bit unfair but whatever) would probable break his fists after the 2/3 hit, and for Silver Chariot, I don't even know if his sword can pierce through the armor if Mista's top speed bullets doesn't even scratch the surface of the Stand but the sword would most likely break after the second swing. So for me he is kinda just as good as a tier 2. (And molds from Green Day don't affect suit Stands like Oasis).

Yeah Green Day is a threat if the Stand is in a certain situation but that's exactly what you said for Man in the Mirror and Grateful Dead (which I don't find true) so make up your goddam mind.