Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-37836192-20181216174823/@comment-37836192-20181217034001

Zodazzle wrote: Where to begin....

1. Gold Experience is the strongest stand in Jojo because it's ability is AUTOMATIC and makes Giorno invincible 24/7.

2. Kira was pierced by a regular arrow and got Bites the Dust. However, Polnareff and Giorno pierced their stands by the requiem arrow. Did you forget that? Because it basically says that Bites the Dust was just an evolved stand with a pretty luckily strong ability. It had such a visible weakness because it was basically like Echoes as in it wasn't made to be super strong.

3. Of course the stands that seemingly were invincible had weaknesses for the plot. Not because it was a requirement, but because they needed to so the plot wouldn't have an unbreakable character.

4. ....What? Gold Experience Requiem doesn't negate most things, it negates basically ANYTHING that has a negative effect on Giorno or something in his vision that Giorno wants to negate. anything. No matter the intention, no matter Giorno's intention. As long as it follows those two rules, it WILL be returned to zero. This theory forgets what the ability is known to be.

1) Even if it is fully automatic, it doesn’t matter much for this theory. The same may weakness applies whether or not Giorno consciously tries to negate an action or if it happens automatically.

2) I consider Bites the Dust to be very similar to a Requiuem stand, though a tier below Requiem, as it is extremely similar. Reasons here https://youtu.be/wfXiVWadSag

3) Even if the plot demanded it, I consider the fact that all 2nd arrow stands had a weakness to be pretty indicative. This theory assumes that this is a pattern.

4) Where does it say that GER can negate anything? I’ve reread part 5 several times and I don’t recall seeing this quote or it demonstrated anywhere other than the Diavolo fight.

I suppose it is the problem with limited information, I’ve only read the main manga and came up with conclusions from there. Since we only saw GER active once in the entire manga series, I had to pull at some straws.

The quote I mentioned from Giorno may mean nothing, however the fact that his quote sounded like it was referencing GER’s ability made me think that it may have been a hidden weakness to GER. However even if my theory is true, Giorno is still functionally invincible so long as he’s a good guy.

I already said that this theory is based entirely on the fact that people stuck by the arrow when they already have a stand (whether they were struck in the stand or body) seem to all have a weakness. Bites the Dust may have been closer to an evolving stand like Echoes, but the circumstances where Kira was struck by the arrow makes it very similar to Requiem stands, so I considered it to be similar.

Just to clarify in case there are misunderstandings. This theory doesn’t say that Giorno has a lethal weakness that can be exploited anytime. I’m saying that he has a conditional weakness that’ll become real if certain conditions are met. I thought that being unable to negate ‘righteous actions born from reality’ is a self fulfilling thing. If Giorno stays a good guy then he is still invincible, however if he ever ends up like Diavolo then GER won’t do anything for him. Giorno says multiple times in part 5 that he has a dream. His dream being to rule the mafia not the way Diavolo did, but in a way that is just and fulfills some kind of bushido like creed or ideology. I thought that this kind of weakness would’ve been poetic, forcing Giorno to forever stay a good guy to maintain his invinciblilty.

I am happy to revise the theory and put more thought into it if you have more criticisms, tbh I just got very bored one time and started thinking of ways to beat GER that doesn’t require a more broken stand, and this was the best I could come up with. It’s the middle ground between Giorno’s absolute invincibility and assuming that he does indeed have a weakness. GER is still invincible in most cases, however it can be beaten if Giorno himself strays from his dream. I assume a lot of information which may or may not be true but I had limited information to work on in the first place.