Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-45051074-20200620005016/@comment-45414938-20200913011220

"1.yes..but it isnt valentine doing it. ger relies on the fate and will to do something the paradoxing ability is simply a by product of his ability. again you have to directly have the intent and action to harm giorno.we see this as when diavolo was preparing to kill giorno in time erasure,when he put his blood in giornos eyes ger didnt do shit until diavolo made a action towards giorno's life"

D4C logic is somewhat this. I highly doubt that the Menger Sponges effect could bypass RTZ. One thing's for sure: Valentine is the ONE bringing the clone. Ik that no same being can interact with each other since the law of the world, but Valentine is the one bringing the clone itself.

"2.maybe,we dont know. if lucy has the full corpse then she may be able to overturn gers fate. but we dont know..but yeah lucy in her base with only ticket to ride would probably just denie ger from ever doing anything."

True, but RTZ would just negate anything that could harm Giorno. Ticket to Ride's misfortune direction being one of them. You just need to harm Giorno then it would be negated.

"now what my point is pucci can't win in a 1 and 1 fight and pucci would know this...thus he would attempt to just make sure giorno cant do shit andv then pucci would leave him alone"

Pucci had no prior knowledge about Giorno. Plus, this is a 1v1.