Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-46616496-20200814001314/@comment-46616496-20200815025524

Kingasdfg wrote: About The Wonder of U, I think I disagree. Mate we don't know anything about this Stand other than that it "causes calamity to those who pursue the head doctor". We don't even know for sure if it's a long distance type or an automatic type.

Regarding D4C: Love Train, I believe he wins against Tusk ACT 4. The reason he lost in the manga fight is because Valentine had to protect Lucy, that was the goal of both. In a fight without that Lucy factor, considering that what Valentine said was going to happen (The corpse leaves Lucy's body and goes to his body), Valentine could just go to another dimension and teleport a Johnny from another dimension to Johnny's back that he's facing. There would be no way for Johnny to hit him that way since Valentine wouldn’t even need to expose himself to push the other Johnny into that dimension. Hard disagree here. At no point was Valentine protecting Lucy, because neither Johnny nor Gyro were ever targeting her. Not to mention, she's protected by Ticket to Ride anyway. He wasn't waiting for the corpse to move from her body to his, he was waiting for her to turn INTO the corpse.

Johnny has a much longer range than Valentine, has several means of escaping Valentine's annihilation ability (either via keeping his distance or using Tusk ACT 3). Not to mention, Valentine would have to defeat another universe's Johnny in order to send him to the original world, which puts us back at square one. And if it fails, he has two Johnny's he has to deal with. No, Valentine would absolutely try the direct approach. Tusk ACT 4 is faster, stronger, and can be much further from its user than D4C.

Regarding Bites the Dust, I find it a very useless skill in a 1v1 fight. Bites the Dust needs a third person in the fight to help, as Bites the Dust can only be transported by people who are not users of Stands. There would be no one like that in the Final Destination Arena. For whatever reason, in my mind, I thought the 1v1 in this case would be against the person who has Bites the Dust attached to them. Like, for example, Cream vs Hayato with BtD attached to him.

Regarding Heaven's Door, considering its last form, the ability consists of the physical version of the Stand going after the target and turning it into a book. Considering this, several Stands could prevent Heaven's Door from approaching by engaging in combat with it. It's ability can still work with simple eye contact though, that doesn't go away. Unless he's fighting someone who doesn't need to see, like N'Doul or Pucci, Heaven's Door would still affect them.

On Bohemian Rhapsody, the effect is not that fast. In his own fight in the manga, Anasui was shown leaving and entering the "fantasy world" several times. In that time where the target is not under the effect of the skill, it would be an easy task to beat the user. Isn't Bohemian Rhapsody's speed based on proximity to Ungaro? If he had a comic book on his person with, say, Superman in it, he could summon him right away. The calamities it provides are extremely strong, it has reached a point where people are teleported to other locations, as happened at the hospital and Mamezuko lost his legs. Furthermore, the idea of ​​chasing the chief surgeon is causing calamities, it happened to Josuke and Mamezuko when they were in the car over the tree.

Okay, he didn't "protect Lucy", he protected Santa's corpse. It's the same. And Gyro and Johnny didn't want to kill Lucy, so I think the mention of Ticket to Ride was a little clueless. Yes, he was not waiting for the corpse to move from her body to his, he was waiting for her to become the corpse so that he could absorb it.

As I mentioned in my publication, knowledge of the struggle is nil. Johnny wouldn't know that he could annihilate him that way, so he wouldn't use the means you cited to avoid him (although I still think those means would not be effective). Valentine would not need to defeat Johnny from another universe to bring him to another. It is not in all universes that Johnny will be the enemy of Valentine and it is not in all universes that Johnny will have ACT 4. There is no way to say exactly what the character would do because the fight would be with Morality OFF and, even if he tried a direct approach, nothing would stop you from following that strategy if it didn't work.

Even following this line of reasoning, I don't think it would work in most cases. Following the example of Cream x Hayato, Vanilla Ice would join Cream as soon as the fight started and Hayato would pass. In cases of short-distance stands, it can be more effective.

Well, from what I read here on the Wiki, it's not just eye contact, but even considering that Porta do Céus can't write only with eye contact, he would still need to get closer. I think that many of the Stands would already be able to intercept it.

I don't know, if I had to say it, I don't think so, if not Ungalo's strategy would be wrong. Instead of being miles away from Jolyne's group, it would make more sense to stay a few blocks away. About him invoking some character from a comic book that he carries with him, I think this strategy would have to be more elaborated. What the characters do when they are brought in from their original stories is what really happened in that story, he cannot control what the characters are going to do (If he could, he could not only annihilate the Jolyne gang but dominate / destroy the world). So I think the strategy that would really be useful is for him to bring a story of an extremely hostile character and play close to the opponent. That might work, I need to think better about this Stand.