Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26912075-20170305214816/@comment-29185842-20170626201826

Thehonestone wrote: Helel ben Shahaar wrote:

is there any stand that can beat GER? Nope.

The World Over Heaven could; and all those bizarre2 Kars Stands that exist in Jorge Joestar novel. But seeing that none of them are canon, and so they de facto do not exist, no.

Gold Experience Requiem is the ultimate Stand. what if i stabbed thunderstruck (my stand) with the arrow, and my biggest desire was to beat GER no matter what. what could counter its power? This thread already has ways listed to counter GER, so you can reread the thread.

If you want some definitive, specific powers that counter effect nullification/return to zero:

-Acausal: This has been gone over 10,000 times in this thread, so no explanation needed anymore.

-Strong reality warping: Effect nullficiation is essentially the strongest time-manipulation ability, so going a step above into full reality warping is the next step, but even then a certian level is required, as warping reality isn't by defualt stronger than casuality manipulation just because it contains it, in the same way a person who manipulates the 4 classic elements isn't by defualt stronger than someone who only controls fire. A specific example of how a strong reality warper might beat GER: GER uses effect nullification, the reality warper nullifies the nullification (Directed by Christopher Nolan) as it is one small asset of reality, and writes GER out of existence.

-Truth manipulation: This is a large part of reality warping and one of it's strongest assets, an amazing ability that actually isn't limited to space or time, TWOH's reality warping is actually focused on this. Example: GER uses nullficiation, Truth Manipulator changes the truth to "GER doesn't use nullfication" and "GER is dead". Once again a certian level is still needed.

-Boundary manipulation: Now we get into the crazy shit, powers that can go a step beyond reality warping, by controlling the boundaries that seperate everything you can pull off some crazy conceptual-level stuff. GER nullifies shitsies, the boundary manipulator erases the boundary between GER's ability and dieing, so GER actually just killed itself.

-Higher-dimensional manipulation: This is an automatic win and doesn't really even count, though a significantly strong truth or boundary manipulator could potentially push themselves to these levels if they're not already there.

-Conceptual manipulation: There are many other conceptual abilities like above with boundaries, such as manipulation of logic/non-logic, definition, perspective, or even abilites and powers, so we'll just get to the main one: Conceptual manipulation is the power to manipulate concepts (Who'd have guessed), which includes: Space, time, reality, beyond space, time, and reality, life, death, existence, non-existence, duality, God, good, bad, bouje, the concept of someone (The concept of GER), the concept of concepts, strength, logic, possibility, impossibility, truth, fiction, limits, infinity, beyond infinity, etc. etc. etc requiem over heaven act 12. Conceptual manipulation essentially means you control everything, at least that we can think of, because anything imagined or done is a concept in some way, "beyond concepts" is a goddamn concept. Albiet once you get to this level consistency and sense are no longer a thing, though they are concepts, but you could still say some shit about "beyond concepts" or maybe the only thing like that is omnipotence, which is a giant middle finger to everything ever.