Talk:Atum/@comment-30066230-20171205010211/@comment-4959537-20171205040716

1) Why he need to summon Osiris? In the same fight Jotaro used Star Platinum eyes to see the cards without SP appearing itself, plus like I said, those inherent abilites COULD be linked to the stand or being an extension of it, like Yuya's strong sense of smell, it's clear that the stand abilitiy has something to do with it (as he only developed this strong sense after aquiring a stand) and he could use it without summoning Highway Star.

2) Atum doesn't represent winning in gambling, but winning in competitive games, all the games Telence played are skill based and not luck based like gambling, Daniel loved to outsmart his opponents by cheating under their nose but Telence only wanted to win in the games and then he developed the most efficient method, read his opponent's mind and that was his downfall, as he quickly gave up when his "sure win" tactic started to fail, while Daniel wouldn't fall for the same trick.

If Osiris had the same binary lie detector, it would remove all the meaning of gambling and cheating, Daniel would simply know what his opponent would do next and always win without effort, thus removing all the meaning of being a true gambler.

Going by this logic:

Whitesnake makes both Osiris and Atum "useless" as he could steal souls using discs without the need to play games and being much more stronger than both of them, so what's the point?

Sex Pistols makes Manhattan Transfer useless.

Mandom makes Bites the Dust useless.

Yellow Temperance makes Khnum and Cream Starter useless.

King Crimson makes Tohth useless.

Metallica makes Bastet and Tomb of the Boom useless.

And so on, what matters is how the user uses their stand to make the fight interesting, and not some sense of fair balance of stand powers.