Talk:Atum/@comment-30066230-20171205010211/@comment-30066230-20171206000637

The user's objectives (aka Daniel's desire to gamble and Telence's desire to win) have absolutely nothing to do with their stands' powers. Their stands' powers are simply luck, and Daniel got the short end without the lie detector.

Yes, using the same logic, all the stands you mentioned below work like that. A lot of these chains exist all over the place in books, movies, and other anime. It's a surprise you haven't noticed.

When it comes to the so-called "enhanced touch" of Osiris, I highly doubt that claim. Any stand's abilities always work unless there's a special given. D'Arby felt the need to test his touching ability on a book before shuffling the cards. This proves that Osiris doesn't have an enhanced sense of touch.

Finally, your arguement isn't hitting the bullseye of this topic. I'm talking about sheer capability, not how it's used. What I mean by this is that if Atum and Osiris were forced into a fistfight, Atum would win. If Atum and Osiris gambled, which is the core function of their soul-stealing ability, Atum would get a soul faster. Atum simply has more capability than Osiris. Also, while I said above that these chains exist, the Atum-Osiris pair rarely shows up. Most of the time, the powers (magic, devil fruits, stands, etc.) that are overshadowed but are similar often have another quality that diffrentiates them. When it comes to Atum and Osiris, Osiris has literally no redeeming quality.

P.S: Sorry for the massive text. I don't know how to reduce its size.