Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28702329-20181215114648/@comment-26388068-20190816233447

VinceC87 wrote: Zedlyfier wrote: This thread is pretty interesting. Right now, I’m just going to list off what all possible scenarios are based on what’s been discussed.

 A.) In Diavolo’s World of Skipped Time, DIO instantly moves/teleports in Diavolo’s perspective.

0:00:00: Diavolo vs DIO starts. Diavolo uses his ability to see into the future, and sees himself being donut-ed. He activates Time Skip.

0:00:00-0:00:10: Diavolo, in his world of skipped time, moves away from his position, and sees DIO instantly teleport in front of where he once was and The World’s fist in what should’ve been his stomach. Diavolo positions himself behind DIO.

0:00:11: After Time has skipped, DIO experiences a brief  ‘Wait what the frick happened’  moment, and due to his initial surprise, cannot react as Diavolo beheads the vampire with a clean chop. Either that or he was blinded with blood and thus would instinctively attack in front of him when Diavolo was behind him.

 (This is assuming that Diavolo gets that ‘terrifying’ vibe that most characters seem to get from DIO, and thus sees it necessary to end his life quickly.)

 Even DIO isn’t immune to the psychological effects of a Time Skip. Bruno was able to deal with it (escaping with his Pillar Punch) since it was his third time experiencing it, and so was Polnareff since he had his blood trick. This was DIO’s first time experiencing something that could even remotely affect his ability, and thus would be shocked; we saw how he reacted when he saw just Jotaro’s finger move, so I think a brief moment of shock would be enough to seal DIO’s fate.

From what I remember, Stand-User limbs are equivalent to Stand limbs as seen in the Giorno vs B.I.G. when Giorno'ss fists are lost, so are GE’s, meaning that even if DIO was still alive, The World would just be a floating head. Thus, Diavolo wins since DIO needs blood to revive from critical wounds. Since DIO’s body was still ‘developing’ due to Jonathan’s Hamon blood, I doubt DIO could use his laser eyes, and even then Diavolo could just see into the future.

 B.) In Diavolo’s World of Skipped Time, DIO only THINKS he’s stopped time, but since he’s already under fate’s control, has to do the actions he would normally do during Stopped Time.

0:00:00: Diavolo vs DIO starts. Diavolo uses his ability to see into the future, and sees himself being donut-ed. He activates Time Skip.

0:00:00-0:00:10: Diavolo, in his world of skip time, moves away from his position. However, instead of seeing DIO instantly teleport to him, he instead sees him slowly walking/floating towards him. Diavolo would be confused, probably have a little wounded pride due to how his Epitaph is supposed to be invincible, but regardless would end up the same as Scenario A.

 C.) In Diavolo’s World of Skipped Time, DIO ‘pauses’ Diavolo’s ability, thus allowing DIO to move freely and to damage Diavolo.

0:00:00: Diavolo vs DIO starts. Diavolo uses his ability to see into the future, and sees himself being donut-ed. He activates Time Skip, and moves accordingly.

0:00:04~: DIO stops time. In his perspective, Diavolo would have been suddenly teleported from his original position. DIO would initially confused, but then shrug it off, donut Diavolo as intended, and win the fight, ending King Crimson's ability.

Of course, in this scenario, DIO would probably try to convince Diavolo to work for him, seeing such a powerful ability, and given how their philosophies both work and contradict with one another, that would work out as well as you’d expect.

 D.) In Diavolo’s World of Skipped Time, DIO ‘pauses’ Diavolo’s ability, thus allowing him to roam freely. However, in this scenario, it’s under the assumption that Diavolo exists in a completely different plane of existence, meaning he can’t be damaged.

<p class="MsoNormal">0:00:00: Diavolo vs DIO starts. Diavolo uses his ability to see into the future, and sees himself being donut-ed. He activates Time Skip, and moves accordingly.

<p class="MsoNormal">0:00:04: DIO Stops time. In his perspective, Diavolo would have been suddenly teleported from his original position. DIO would initially confused, but then shrug it off, and attempt to donut Diavolo. He fails, and instead The World’s fist phases through him. DIO is shocked beyond belief, and before he can formulate an understanding of Diavolo’s ability, his Time Stop ends. Either that or he sends knives at Diavolo, which would work about as well as one would expect.

<p class="MsoNormal">0:00:05: Diavolo’s perspective will return to normal, and will then suddenly see DIO teleporting in front of him. Diavolo is initially shocked, but recomposes himself. He checks Epitaph within his world of stopped time, and can only see DIO monologuing. Diavolo shrugs to himself, and continues his actions.

<p class="MsoNormal">0:00:11: DIO’s memories of his Time Stop stay, but he suddenly sees Diavolo vanish in front of him. Once again filled with shock, Diavolo successfully beheads DIO and wins.

<p class="MsoNormal">…

<p class="MsoNormal">I think that’s the gist of the scenarios, right? Personally I believe that Scenario A would happen. Even if DIO’s Time Stop happens in 0 seconds, that 0 seconds still exists with a period of time.

<p class="MsoNormal">With an example, think of it like a roll of Toilet Paper.

<p class="MsoNormal">Let’s say that Diavolo’s ability allow him to skip 10 squares of Toilet Paper (truly the most evil ability). DIO’s entire Time Stop resides within those tiny cracks in the Toilet Paper that allow the squares to be easily removed in the first place. It’s not an actual square, but the tiny crack in between it, in other words, 0 Toilet Squares.

<p class="MsoNormal">Diavolo’s ability lets him skip up to 10 Squares of Toilet Paper. DIO’s ability resides within those 10 Squares of Toilet Paper, and thus his ability is immediately skipped.

<p class="MsoNormal">Of course, this is all under the assumption that Scenario A is true. Sorry if this sounded like a stupid example, and I’m probably a bit wrong with some of this, but I just wanted to list my own understanding of this thread so far. From my understanding, Diavolo wins in most of these scenarios, unless there’s something about Vampire abilities I forgot about. Sorry if I screwed something up here. Interesting perspective. You have changed my mind about a few things, namely DIO's ability to kill Diavolo within the time skip. However, vampires are creatures of fiction, so why should Diavolo be expecting one? Why would Diavolo instantly move to cutting off DIO's head? I'd believe Diavolo would pull a classic donut, and then be utterly shocked when DIO walks it off, wounded but not nearly close to being killed. If not the donut but a chop, basically the same situation, except even more disbelief because a chop like that should be instant death. To this day I still haven't figured out how Bruno didn't die. Anyways, DIO's vampiric abilities give him the advantage. Either Diavolo negerundayos because "how could fate put me up against a monster that can shrug off my King Crimson, the most powerful stand in the world?" or DIO kills him or subdues him with a flesh bud.

Now, even if Diavolo just happened to be feeling frisky that day, and did chop off DIO's head, he's also got DIO's floating head to worry about (how did it do that?) as well as DIO's nasty vampire neck veins. You know, the Esidisi worm-lookin ones? Those might be trouble for King Crimson, whose range is only 2 meters, I think. If DIO tags him once, it might act like a flesh bud. Then DIO subdues him, gets back onto his body, and either makes him an agent of DIO or gives him the donut. I just think DIO's too supernatural, and The World too strong a stand, for Diavolo to land a decisive win. Even if Diavolo does manage to chop off DIO's head, DIO can maybe just Za Warudo and float on outta there. Besides, DIO (and vampires in general) have survived killer head blows, like the chop-in-two DIO recieved in Part 1, the Silver Chariot head pokes both Vanilla Ice and DIO recieved, and the head-cracker Star Platinum gave him. I think the only answer would be total head dissolution/splattering. Then again, how would Diavolo know that?

P.S. I agree, Scenario A (in which Diavolo sees DIO instantly teleport) is more likely. The thing is that, like we see in part 3 a single donut blow from Jotaro to DIO leave her very wounded and he also needed blood to rapidly regenarate himself. You can't take in count part 1 Dio because Part 3 DIO have the issues with Jonathan's Body so he can use all his ability at all. So a mere donut from King Crimson would make him a easly target.

Without mention that the punch from Star Platinum in his head leave him almost incapacited, so if King Crimson manages to do a critical attack (Wich is what probably would happen in case A), even if DIO wouldn't be instantly dead, specialy because Diavolo always attack in the stomach or near. Without people or Joestar Blood in a fair scenario, Diavolo just need to preview DIO's next time stop so he just use King Crimson and position himself for another hit, this time in the head. Being fair i can see DIO somehow surviving but definitly not winning this encounter.