Talk:The 38th President of the United States/@comment-26732688-20160720224314/@comment-4148373-20180701053504

Uh huh. So...how do would forcing Lucy to have sex with him against her will have progressed his plans, exactly? What end was that means working towards?

Valentine has always struck me as far less noble than he makes himself out to be. Whatever he tells himself to sleep better at night, his actions speak far louder than his words, and none of his actions are those of someone reluctantly ordering acts they find distasteful to achieve their goals. He's just too willing to shed blood, too willing to solve every problem with violence, and utterly, utterly unconcerned with how many people he'll hurt along the way. He's a sociopath, basically, and a complete, irredemable fanatic to boot.

He's not merely "cold-blooded", from his actions, but more like a power-hungry proto-dictator in denial. You'll find a lot of the worst sorts of dictators do the exact same sh*t, and use similar justifications, to Valentine. Hitler and Stalin were pretty dedicated to making their countries strong, too. The fact that doing so by their methods made themselves politically stronger had nothing, so they claimed, to do with it.

Honestly, I think Araki did an amazing job making Valentine charismatic. I mean, just look at how many fan like him. But that doesn't make him noble, or an anti-villian, for that matter. He's just as monstrous as any of the other main antagonists so far, he's just working towards a more outwardly noble goal than most of them.