Board Thread:Fanmade/@comment-31731691-20190816114648/@comment-39718735-20200604021557

Kingasdfg wrote: I've watched that scene a few times now and I gotta say, I don't know what you're talking about. It seems pretty clear that GER activated RtZ before King Crimson cancels its ability, regardless of whatever Diavolo's intentions were. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page: The rewind is just a visual effect. GER doesn't seem to actually rewind time, because people seem to retain their memories.

The effect does play at that moment, yet the background doesn't changes because GER activated right away. A visual effect? The rewind is not just a visual effect, it's exactly the way in which it works as it's shown, the blood goes back to Diavolo's hand, the bullets get back into Mista's gun. I don't think the anime would violate the manga canon in such way on this case. The only one that remembers things is DIavolo, the target of the ability. But him reminding what happened doesn't mean a thing! Doesn't Gyro remember what happened after Mandom rewinds time? Yeah people won't remember things after BtD gets activated but that doesn't mean all time rewinds work in the same way.

Kingasdfg wrote: Tusk ACT 4 may not have an end necessarily, but it does have a beginning that it can be returned to. Johnny has to call it forth, so it definitely starts somewhere. "Return to Zero" would be a return to that point, before it was summoned. True, it may work that way. But only if GER would have enough power to contain that infinite and get it backwards, GER never faced an inifinite except in one indirect ocassion: when MiH got activated, I made another post treating that topic and no matter what excuse is said GER didn't do anything regarding that. Even when it's said if something has a beginning it could be set to zero doesn't mean that's necessary true in every single case.

The idea would be that any infinite summoned enery is relative to time (before and after). But GER itself is bound to time in a way: it has an origin. GER couldn't put the boss in the death loop before existing. So why would it be impossible for it to be conditioned by time in another way?