When do these two events happen? I need a reference

Jojo in it's entirety isn't MFTL, but Pucci and probably johnny's stands definitely do fit in that realm of speed.

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@ShadowySage correct it isnt entirely mftl. For instance, some stands arent top-tier stands and are only around FTL or even lower.

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Pucci's stand could arguably have infinite speed because if he wasn't defeated, made in heaven would have been doing universal loops forever. It's speed grows massively through each reset. As soon as his stand emerged it was already MFTL. I can't even fathom how fast he was at the time of the first reset.

You mean when Jolyne handcuffed herself to Pucci? She used her stand, which outclasses Pucci’s in speed and power to fight, while in close proximity. Of course she’d win.

Yet she got blitzed and literally ceaved through like butter.

Do you see her cuffed to Pucci right now? She had the advantage before because there was nowhere else for Pucci to go. Of course Jolyne would have had the upper hand then. It doesn’t matter if she knew how to fight or not - her stand outclasses Whitesnake in strength, and each of them had at least one of their arms subdued. Not to mention, she was using her strings along with the cuffs, if I remember correctly.

Also, he was currently impersonating Weather Report. That would have caught her off guard, wouldn’t it?

can you make this post die please? just message here, create a new post to discuss.