@STRUGGLINGLIKEAPUPPET2BEFREE The issue with these guys in comparison to the likes of Appolo is the fact that Kakyoin is wanked as FTL due to the inconsistency of "reaction speed" logic (but we're not talking about that, his fate is sealed either way obv), which is rather retconned, and Johnny can't physically even the odds against the speed-gap, the Planetary wide-array of AP attacks Apollo can throw out, physically and etcetera (like Johnny couldn't even react to an actual bullet beforehand in-sync, and TA3 is just so much less feesible for physical combat than anything he can pull out, even if we're taking Apollo in-character for his pompous mix-minded nature, the game for goading or jumping the gun wouldn't really wouldn't really be any hassle for the god of the f*cking sun, if we're looking at the perspective and side.
(dunno who this "Clover" character is btw, so your gonna have to catch me up, man...)
Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 3)
Clover (Level 20)
Apolo (can be killed without a divine weapon)
Kakyoin
