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  • Gold Experience's ability is to inject life into things. Interesting. Question: If Gold Experience is to inject life, then can it act like Hamon against the undead (Vampires/Zombies/Pillarmen)?

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    • Perhaps.  Stands are sometimes called "Spirit Hamon", so it can be possible.

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    • Either that, or it could convert anti-life energy to life energy, essentially making a Zombie, Vampire, Pillarman, etc, into a human with vampiric abilities.

      After all, this is the stand of a Vampire's son we are talking about here.

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    • Youhadabadday wrote:
      Either that, or it could convert anti-life energy to life energy, essentially making a Zombie, Vampire, Pillarman, etc, into a human with vampiric abilities.

      After all, this is the stand of a Vampire's son we are talking about here.

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      All aside, these are just straight up wrong. Gold Experience doesn't "inject life" so much as he just gifts things life. Secondly, stands haven't been called spirt hamon since part 3, and Part 5 even proves that they aren't even hamon. Lastly, vampires/zombies/pillar men are already lifeforms as is, so gifting life would just do the same that Gold Experience did when it punched Bruno.

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    • Zodazzle wrote:

      Youhadabadday wrote:
      Either that, or it could convert anti-life energy to life energy, essentially making a Zombie, Vampire, Pillarman, etc, into a human with vampiric abilities.

      After all, this is the stand of a Vampire's son we are talking about here.

      • cough* necropost *cough*

      All aside, these are just straight up wrong. Gold Experience doesn't "inject life" so much as he just gifts things life. Secondly, stands haven't been called spirt hamon since part 3, and Part 5 even proves that they aren't even hamon. Lastly, vampires/zombies/pillar men are already lifeforms as is, so gifting life would just do the same that Gold Experience did when it punched Bruno.

      ...Pretty sure Part 3 proved Stands weren't Hamon when they gave DIO a Stand. If they were, summoning The World should have killed DIO, no?

      That aside, After having looked into it, I'm not entirely sure Gold Experience would actually have the exact same effect on Vampires and Pillar Men, though I hesitate to say it would be exactly the same as Hamon.

      Barring Kars' super Hamon, it's never been shown to harm living beings, when used directly on them. Quite the opposite, as shown when Zeppeli is introducing the concept, and splits a boulder through a frog, leaving it unharmed. Hamon and life force also often seem to be equated, such as in the reduced aging and increased healing effects.

      This may indicate that the Pillar Men and Vampires, who are burned by this energy, aren't exactly alive in the same way as most life-forms. A mystical angle for their powers would certainly explain how they can manage to reassurect people so long dead that their brains should have rotted to nothing, with their memories intact. The Hamon thing could, admittedly, also be entirely tied to the sun angle, but I don't think it's entirely cut-and-dry that GE would treat them like any other life form.

      That said, I don't think Gold Experience's fists would actually act like Hamon. The most likely scenario, if Vampires and the like aren't treated as living, is that they'd be fair game for Gold Experience to create new life from. The other likely option I could see, for Vampires and Zombies, would be to restore them to "life", reversing the effects and reviving them in a human form. Possibly while keeping any body modifications.

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    • Nixeu wrote:

      Zodazzle wrote:

      Youhadabadday wrote:
      Either that, or it could convert anti-life energy to life energy, essentially making a Zombie, Vampire, Pillarman, etc, into a human with vampiric abilities.

      After all, this is the stand of a Vampire's son we are talking about here.

      • cough* necropost *cough*

      All aside, these are just straight up wrong. Gold Experience doesn't "inject life" so much as he just gifts things life. Secondly, stands haven't been called spirt hamon since part 3, and Part 5 even proves that they aren't even hamon. Lastly, vampires/zombies/pillar men are already lifeforms as is, so gifting life would just do the same that Gold Experience did when it punched Bruno.

      ...Pretty sure Part 3 proved Stands weren't Hamon when they gave DIO a Stand. If they were, summoning The World should have killed DIO, no?

      That aside, After having looked into it, I'm not entirely sure Gold Experience would actually have the exact same effect on Vampires and Pillar Men, though I hesitate to say it would be exactly the same as Hamon.

      Barring Kars' super Hamon, it's never been shown to harm living beings, when used directly on them. Quite the opposite, as shown when Zeppeli is introducing the concept, and splits a boulder through a frog, leaving it unharmed. Hamon and life force also often seem to be equated, such as in the reduced aging and increased healing effects.

      This may indicate that the Pillar Men and Vampires, who are burned by this energy, aren't exactly alive in the same way as most life-forms. A mystical angle for their powers would certainly explain how they can manage to reassurect people so long dead that their brains should have rotted to nothing, with their memories intact. The Hamon thing could, admittedly, also be entirely tied to the sun angle, but I don't think it's entirely cut-and-dry that GE would treat them like any other life form.

      That said, I don't think Gold Experience's fists would actually act like Hamon. The most likely scenario, if Vampires and the like aren't treated as living, is that they'd be fair game for Gold Experience to create new life from. The other likely option I could see, for Vampires and Zombies, would be to restore them to "life", reversing the effects and reviving them in a human form. Possibly while keeping any body modifications.

      That was what I was saying XD

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    • Youhadabadday wrote:

      Nixeu wrote:

      Zodazzle wrote:

      Youhadabadday wrote:
      Either that, or it could convert anti-life energy to life energy, essentially making a Zombie, Vampire, Pillarman, etc, into a human with vampiric abilities.

      After all, this is the stand of a Vampire's son we are talking about here.

      • cough* necropost *cough*

      All aside, these are just straight up wrong. Gold Experience doesn't "inject life" so much as he just gifts things life. Secondly, stands haven't been called spirt hamon since part 3, and Part 5 even proves that they aren't even hamon. Lastly, vampires/zombies/pillar men are already lifeforms as is, so gifting life would just do the same that Gold Experience did when it punched Bruno.

      ...Pretty sure Part 3 proved Stands weren't Hamon when they gave DIO a Stand. If they were, summoning The World should have killed DIO, no?

      That aside, After having looked into it, I'm not entirely sure Gold Experience would actually have the exact same effect on Vampires and Pillar Men, though I hesitate to say it would be exactly the same as Hamon.

      Barring Kars' super Hamon, it's never been shown to harm living beings, when used directly on them. Quite the opposite, as shown when Zeppeli is introducing the concept, and splits a boulder through a frog, leaving it unharmed. Hamon and life force also often seem to be equated, such as in the reduced aging and increased healing effects.

      This may indicate that the Pillar Men and Vampires, who are burned by this energy, aren't exactly alive in the same way as most life-forms. A mystical angle for their powers would certainly explain how they can manage to reassurect people so long dead that their brains should have rotted to nothing, with their memories intact. The Hamon thing could, admittedly, also be entirely tied to the sun angle, but I don't think it's entirely cut-and-dry that GE would treat them like any other life form.

      That said, I don't think Gold Experience's fists would actually act like Hamon. The most likely scenario, if Vampires and the like aren't treated as living, is that they'd be fair game for Gold Experience to create new life from. The other likely option I could see, for Vampires and Zombies, would be to restore them to "life", reversing the effects and reviving them in a human form. Possibly while keeping any body modifications.

      That was what I was saying XD

      Not really, no. I see no reason why they'd keep any vampiric abilities, beyond, perhaps, any changes made to their bodies at the time they're hit. Hamon can't regrow limbs, so I assume it can't do much about rearranged limbs or organs. That also doesn't mean they'd necessarily survive, if they had their part arranged in a way that would be lethal to a human. But I don't think they'd be "humans with vampiric abilities", as you stated. Just weird looking humans, if they played grafting games or warped their bodies.

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    • I don't think vampires or zombies can really qualify as "dead". Vampires are just a person that wore the Stone Mask and was stabbed, nothing about them being dead. Same thing with zombies. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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    • Zodazzle wrote: I don't think vampires or zombies can really qualify as "dead". Vampires are just a person that wore the Stone Mask and was stabbed, nothing about them being dead. Same thing with zombies. Correct me if I'm wrong.

      I think they might be considered "not alive" in the same way a virus isn't considered "alive": the process that makes them vampires or zombies may remove some trait that would qualify them as alive. I certainly recall sections where they seem to be considered non-living, and the fact that Dio managed to revive two people who had been dead for a few centuries certainly seems to indicate it's not just a transmitted infection or unlocking the "potential" of the living. But I don't think they're exactly "dead", either. Which is probably why they're called "undead", now that I think about it.

      Edit: They may not qualify due to the metabolism and growth requirements, since vampires don't decay or grow, but rather maintain a complete stasis until damaged, and their metabolism doesn't seem to be to produce new cells or involve breaking down chemicals, but rather is about absorbing life force. Trying to use science on this is really hard, BTW.

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    • Kakorat wrote:
      Gold Experience's ability is to inject life into things. Interesting. Question: If Gold Experience is to inject life, then can it act like Hamon against the undead (Vampires/Zombies/Pillarmen)?

      I Mean there WAS that scene from Phantom Blood where Jonathan Grew Flower buds on a Tree branch; creating Life; similar to how Giorno Uses Golden Experience to Create Life out of inanimate Objects. . . maybe since Dio's head was attached to Jonathan's Body(including his loins), maybe he got that from Jonathan Joestar?

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    • Am3thystfanb0y wrote:

      Kakorat wrote:
      Gold Experience's ability is to inject life into things. Interesting. Question: If Gold Experience is to inject life, then can it act like Hamon against the undead (Vampires/Zombies/Pillarmen)?

      I Mean there WAS that scene from Phantom Blood where Jonathan Grew Flower buds on a Tree branch; creating Life; similar to how Giorno Uses Golden Experience to Create Life out of inanimate Objects. . . maybe since Dio's head was attached to Jonathan's Body(including his loins), maybe he got that from Jonathan Joestar?

      Hadn't thought about that. I wouldn't be surprised if Gio could also use the same ability he has to replace lost body-parts to make weird animal-human hybrids, like some of DIO's zombies in Part I. I guess he really did inherit traits from both of them.

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    • Well, they aren't exactly alive nor dead... just there. At most, Golden Experience would probably grow a few roots? Then probably after that, the "too much lifeforce can make you high as fuck" effect would kick in.

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    • If Kars can get Hamon by becoming the ultimate life form, I think Gold Experience can generate Hamon somehow

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    • Zodazzle wrote:
      Youhadabadday wrote:
      Either that, or it could convert anti-life energy to life energy, essentially making a Zombie, Vampire, Pillarman, etc, into a human with vampiric abilities.

      After all, this is the stand of a Vampire's son we are talking about here.

      • cough* necropost *cough*

      All aside, these are just straight up wrong. Gold Experience doesn't "inject life" so much as he just gifts things life. Secondly, stands haven't been called spirt hamon since part 3, and Part 5 even proves that they aren't even hamon. Lastly, vampires/zombies/pillar men are already lifeforms as is, so gifting life would just do the same that Gold Experience did when it punched Bruno.

      "Gold Experience doesn't "inject life" so much as he just gifts things life." So he injects life. Good to know.

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    • Hermit Purple is a Hamon Stand tied to Joseph's natural affinity with the Ripple. Since Giorno is the biological son of Jonathan, it stands to reason that he would inherit a stand of a similar nature. Despite the fact that Giorno is not practiced in the art of sendo, Gold Experience is able to apply life-energy in a number of unique applications, such as overloading a person's senses and detecting living prescences within a given space. As if to parrallel this, Part 7's Tusk and Ball Breaker are Spin stands with Spin itself being that universe's version of Hamon. 

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    • Hamon damages vampires and Pillar Men because they're vulnerable to sunlight and Hamon carries the power of the sun, not because of Hamon's life giving properties, so I don't think Gold Experience can act like Hamon.

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    • Hamon is actually the life energy given off by the sun (according to the dub, so take that as you will). It could presumably imitate the properties, or even directly produce it(due to Giorno's Jostar lineage)

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    • nope, he has life energy, Hamon is more life spirit energy and has solar powers.

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    • IIRC, vampires are harmed by life energy unless they get it by drinking peoples' blood. GE's power and Hamon are both life energy. I think if GE did to a vampire what it did to Bucciarati, the vampire would probably get a bit crumbly.

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