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  • In my opinion is Joseph win against ultimate Kars.

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    • Star Platinum gaining the time stop ability to counter DIO.

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    • Probably the Requiem ability.

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    • Kakorat wrote:
      Probably the Requiem ability.

      I second this.

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    • Well all of these are dead wrong. Harmless twists at worst.

      The worst asspull ever in Jojo is having Dio, who up to part 3 was just the ambitious asshole, all of a sudden, have a convoluted and nonsensical plan to "reach Heaven" he wrote down on a diary we never heard of, requiring precise coordinates and gravitational conditions, a friend that we've never heard of and which is badly out of character considering how much Dio sees himself above others, and that Jotaro all of a sudden read but never talked about, just so Pucci can steal his memory because he somehow just knew Jotaro knew about the plan.

      Jotaro having timestop, Joseph and the Aja Stone, Requiem, these are end-part stuff. At worst, it lessens the impact of the final fight of a given part.

      The diary is the prompt of an entire part. Part 6 is built on an asspull. This fucking diary ruined an entire part. It also retroactively kinda ruins Part 3 since Dio already completed the plan and just had to fly to Cape Canaveral instead of waiting 50 days for Jotaro. Nothing could have prevented him from doing this. It contradicts the whole idea of DIO needing Joestar blood in Part 3.

      On don't give me that "but Dio talked about peace of mind" crap. When he took Joseph's blood, he was full-on "bow before me, humans!" mode. That peace of mind crap was a way to psyche Polnareff.

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    • Huh... I actually agree with a lot of that. I would like to say that the part-ending abilities are also significant as they cheapen the part’s ending and unjustly defeats the villain without giving a good strategy or something sensible. That being said, I can totally understand your point of view. It doesn’t really make sense that DIO would know all of these very specific things that would just happen to create a perfected stand. There wasn’t really any way for him to find this out. And DIO from Part 6 felt like a completely different character than DIO from parts 1 and 3. There was also no foreshadowing to it, so that definitely makes it an asspull. As for your claim that he would think that he could achieve heaven without fighting Jotaro... I’m not so sure about that. As previously mentioned, he needed joestar blood to get his body under his complete control. It doesn’t surprise me that he would want that even if he could achieve heaven. He would also want to defeat the crusaders first, as they are his greatest threat. Another thing that bothers me about the whole heaven thing was that the only one who could possibly achieve it was Pucci. I mean, isn’t having your main villain the only person who could possibly achieve the supposed greatest power in the universe a little too convenient? I get that Araki has this consistent theme of destiny, but I think that is too much even for that.

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    • The entirety of part 2, in fact Joseph had so many ass pulls he managed to transfer them to Jotaro to beat DIO

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    • MSEAdvanced wrote:
      The entirety of part 2, in fact Joseph had so many ass pulls he managed to transfer them to Jotaro to beat DIO

      That's Joseph for you, the king of asspulls. It must be Hermit Purple's secret ability. 

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    • I will never understand why people think Part 5's ending is an asspull. It was literally established like a chapter prior that stabbing your Stand with the arrow would evolve it into something incredibly powerful. The reason why Chariot went berserk was because, oh I don't know, POLNAREFF DIED!

      As for Part 3's ending, that's debatable. Some argue it was foreshadowed in the final battle when Jotaro somehow magically teleported into the sewer despite being a good 10 meters away, some even suggesting it was foreshadowed way back in the Geb fight when he reappears behind N'doul despite not having any way of crossing that distance in time. I personally believe those theories since there's a lot of concrete evidence behind it (most of it regarding Crazy Diamond's similarities to The World and how the same could be applied to Jotaro), though it's still a subjective matter.

      Part 2 is totally an asspull though.

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    • Probably Marco dying of a cold after all that Gyro went through to keep him alive.

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    • B4SS WUBBING wrote: stands

      I don’t know if I would consider that an asspull, but there definitely wasn’t any foreshadowing for them, so you are correct on that front.

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    • There are some theories that Joseph's constant "Your next move" gag is actually hermit purple subconciously manifesting when he's in range of the enemy, using its divination abilities and what not to aid him in combat. Since he mostly fought at mid to close range, it wouldn't be an absurd thought, and whether or not HP is a unique stand for Joseph or a stand-like manifestation of a powerful hamaon, I think the fact that he was known for doing weird foresight gags and then got a stand that had the same ability is way too fishy.

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    • Seventy96 wrote: In my opinion is Joseph win against ultimate Kars.

      So far, you beat the bad guy without killing him and he’s left to long for death that won’t come.

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    • Noelnator wrote:
      Star Platinum gaining the time stop ability to counter DIO.

      To it's credit, it was kinda foreshadowed by establishing that Star Platinum and The World are similar Stand types and that SP had a high level of development potential. But yeah, it was WWAAAAAYYY too convenient.

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    • Basically, one of the baddest Deus ex machinas ever pulled off in anime history.

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    • The plan to reach Heaven because of how nonsensial it is, it violates the pre-established rules of the universe and integeral it is the plot

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    • BaronBlackFalcon wrote:
      Noelnator wrote:
      Star Platinum gaining the time stop ability to counter DIO.
      To it's credit, it was kinda foreshadowed by establishing that Star Platinum and The World are similar Stand types and that SP had a high level of development potential. But yeah, it was WWAAAAAYYY too convenient.

      By my headcanon, SP basically requiemed without an arrow

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    • I always thought of it as the best deus ex machina against an enemy that was believed to be invincible.

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    • Emporio being able to activate the dormant oxygen ability of Heavy Weather even when Weather Report himself couldn't do it.

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    • Darth Cader wrote:
      Emporio being able to activate the dormant oxygen ability of Heavy Weather even when Weather Report himself couldn't do it.

      The oxygen ability wasn't dormant, it was using Weather Report's weather control to build up oxygen.

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    • No. Emporio literally says “An ability that lay dormant in Weather Report. I read about it in a book once.”

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    • I bet when he means dormant, he means something Weather just didn't realize he could do. It's really simple.

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    • I guess it might be that but a more elaborate translation would definitely help. But either way I still find it weird how Emporio could activate this ability when it isn’t even his Stand

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    • He used the Weather Report stand disc that Pucci had on himself. That's how. From then on, Emporio could use it.

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    • Well duh I get how Emporio got Weather Report but it’s still kinda convienent that he could use a hidden ability that Weather was never aware of which allowed Emporio to beat Pucci.

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    • Well it's not an asspull, considering it makes sense and isn't just bullshit. Emporio just had an idea that Weather just never thought of. Weather Report is such a diverse stand that it makes sense Weather wouldn't realize some things.

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    • I guess you’re right. So now onto Pucci, the physical embodiment of asspulls that allowed him to get out of literally every situation up until Emporio and literally breathing.

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    • Star Platinum and The World being the same type of Stands gets even more confusing since part 4 retconned The World to be a Stand awaken by the Arrow. Adding to the fact that there exists a theory that since DIO is Jonathan from the neck down, The World was probably product of the Joestar bloodline, which would explain why it's similar to Star Platinum......BUUUUUUT Araki confirmed that Hermit Purple 2 is Jonathan's Stand. So Araki kinda shot himself in the foot.

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    • BaronBlackFalcon wrote:
      Star Platinum and The World being the same type of Stands gets even more confusing since part 4 retconned The World to be a Stand awaken by the Arrow. Adding to the fact that there exists a theory that since DIO is Jonathan from the neck down, The World was probably product of the Joestar bloodline, which would explain why it's similar to Star Platinum......BUUUUUUT Araki confirmed that Hermit Purple 2 is Jonathan's Stand. So Araki kinda shot himself in the foot.

      He didn't...? There was never a rule about being unable to inherit Stands from a relative who was pierced by an arrow. Also, The World isn't a byproduct of the Joestar bloodline. It's the reverse. If anything, Star Platinum is probably a byproduct of The World and Jonathan combined. That would honestly make more sense to me, considering Star Platinum looks more like Jonathan than The World does.

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    • I hate the "DIO's bone gives you part of Za Warudo" asspull in part 6. There are lots of asspulls out there, such as GER or Jotaro being able to do za warudo, but those can make sense or be enjoyable, while Pucci's dodge is complete utter BS. It could be all over in that moment, but yeah, okay, Pucci can see in stopped time because why not. There's no way in hell that BONE can inherit DIO's stand and Pucci doesn't have a similar stand to Jotaro, so WHY is this asspull even a thing. I believe it was made up on the spot, it was the most disappointing twist for me in all of Jojo's.

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    • SevenDeadMen wrote:
      There are some theories that Joseph's constant "Your next move" gag is actually hermit purple subconciously manifesting when he's in range of the enemy, using its divination abilities and what not to aid him in combat. Since he mostly fought at mid to close range, it wouldn't be an absurd thought, and whether or not HP is a unique stand for Joseph or a stand-like manifestation of a powerful hamaon, I think the fact that he was known for doing weird foresight gags and then got a stand that had the same ability is way too fishy.

      He only got his Stand when Jonathan´s body got a Stand. I think his prediction gags are just a product of analysis and misdirection on his part. It´s true that it´s not a coincidence that Hermit Purple has divination abilities, because Stands are like manifestations of the user´s spirit. Their personalities influence what a Stand´s abilities are, which is also why users with stronger spirits have stronger Stands in general. Joseph was good at predicting what his enemies would do, which is why his Stand has actual divination abilities.



      That being said, I believe Joseph´s win against Kars was the biggest ass-pull in Jojo, because it was achieved by the most incredible amount of luck I've ever seen.

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    • KFears wrote:
      I hate the "DIO's bone gives you part of Za Warudo" asspull in part 6. There are lots of asspulls out there, such as GER or Jotaro being able to do za warudo, but those can make sense or be enjoyable, while Pucci's dodge is complete utter BS. It could be all over in that moment, but yeah, okay, Pucci can see in stopped time because why not. There's no way in hell that BONE can inherit DIO's stand and Pucci doesn't have a similar stand to Jotaro, so WHY is this asspull even a thing. I believe it was made up on the spot, it was the most disappointing twist for me in all of Jojo's.

      The reason Pucci moved in stopped time was because of C-Moon. I cant really explain it, but it has some stuff to do with gravity effecting time and things.

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      Part 6 is the WORST jojo part, period.  Many fights are way convoluted, too much expositions were used in the panels to MAKE SURE that the readers get it.  That really wasn't how a manga should be, it made the manga wayyyy less dynamic and fluid. To be honest Part 6 started out very good and interesting! But once Jotaro's disc got taken, the story went downhill and never picked up.  I pretty much lost interested in reading it after they have escaped the prison.  And considering I have been a big JoJo fan for all my life.  Yes I finished Part 5 in year 2000! 

      Now to be a little off topic.  To me, the pinnacle of JoJo is Part 5, it was my favorite part of JoJo.  Of course it's not perfect, but the story is very consistent, all characters are unique and likable and well developed.  If you think about it, Part 5 has the least asspulls in any given part of Jojo.  Yes at the beginning Giorno has some BS abilities that got scratch off from the rest of the story arc, but that's about it!  And I don't think the boss's defeat by GER at the end was asspull, because the story was planned that way, King Crimson was supposed to have no weakness, the only way to defeat him was to create a requiem stand.  You can call it unfair, but it's not an asspull.    And to me, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure ends at Part 5, period.  The main story ends at the end of Part 5.  And not just to me, many early JoJo fans from east asian countries like me who thought the same way.  We just couldn't accept the mess in Part 6.    

      Part 7 and 8 were the 2nd coming of Jojo, and I am very glad to say that they are actually pretty high quality.  

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    • Now here are my top two asspull fights:

      1). Jotaro vs Dio.  Yup, I don't have to say more.  I guess Dio's curiosty got himself killed.  But still, killed buy a single punch to his leg?  LOL

      2). Yuya (Highway Star) & Josuke vs. Terunosuke (Enigma).   It was absolutely bullshit that Yuya can stick his hand out to open Josuke's paper in the shredder ONCE he was trapped in a paper by Enigma.   This is in my opinion the most WTF asspull in jojo.   

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    • You didn't even really discuss the topic, you just ranted about how bad Part 6 is and how good Part 5 is (come on man, Part 7 is objectively the best part).

      Edit: wrote message when you hadn't posted

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    • CrazySalami wrote:

      1). Jotaro vs Dio.  Yup, I don't have to say more.  I guess Dio's curiosty got himself killed.  But still, killed buy a single punch to his leg?  LOL

      Left side of Dio's body is weaker. Guess, which leg Dio used.

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    • I honestly think that the biggest ass-pull is when Jotaro and Dio just started to fly. Like, why the heck hasn't Jotaro been flying around his enemies and stuff all of part 3.

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    • They never flew. They were using their stands to launch them. It just looks like that from the camera's perspective.

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    • Joseph putting the grenades on straizo is one that comes to mind for me.

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    • TheBestAround150 wrote:
      The reason Pucci moved in stopped time was because of C-Moon. I cant really explain it, but it has some stuff to do with gravity effecting time and things.

      Okay, maybe he adapted or something. But Dio's diary explicitly says that to go to Heaven you need za warudo. Pucci couldn't have gotten MIH then. And no, EOH in not considered canon, also there's no point to even introduce the diary in the first place if you could just go off-scripts and get something similar in results. So I think that bone really did have a little part of za warudo, but it's just bad writing because we all know that stands can't exist if user is dead. I don't believe that za warudo is an exception like B.I.G.

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    • Star Dust Crusaders Season 1 Episode 22.

      that's all I'm saying its bullshit.

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    • Star Finger (I don't have any problem with SC's time-stop).

      Some DiU characters, like Reimi, Kira Sr. and Mikitako (I don't mind them tho).

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    • Part 4 had a shit ton of asspulls. Josuke’s ability was abused a lot and at times some stuff just doesn’t make sense. Like why couldn’t Josuke just “fix” Kira’s coat button. And Araki really wanted Kira to lose more than anything. Like Jotaro literally came back from the dead to punch Kira. And the final fight was scraping the bottom of the barrel for things that Josuke could do. Like lmao he fixed his blood. Kira could’ve used Bites the Dust earlier but he instead chose to chase Josuke and Echoes 3 freeze at the end was really infuriating. Kira had it pretty tough.

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    • Red432001 wrote:
      Part 4 had a shit ton of asspulls. Josuke’s ability was abused a lot and at times some stuff just doesn’t make sense. Like why couldn’t Josuke just “fix” Kira’s coat button. And Araki really wanted Kira to lose more than anything. Like Jotaro literally came back from the dead to punch Kira. And the final fight was scraping the bottom of the barrel for things that Josuke could do. Like lmao he fixed his blood. Kira could’ve used Bites the Dust earlier but he instead chose to chase Josuke and Echoes 3 freeze at the end was really infuriating. Kira had it pretty tough.

      Half of those aren't even asspulls.

      1. Josuke's power doesn't fix things, it restores them to a state that Josuke chooses, and they don't even have to be reconstructed properly if he so desires. None of the instances where he uses it break those rules. Thus, not an asspull.

      2. Not fixing Kira's coat button isn't an asspull, either, that's a plothole.

      3. Jotaro wasn't dead. Not an asspull.

      4. Josuke was always shown to be able to restore blood, what the fuck are you on about? Not an asspull.

      5. Bites the Dust requires a Standless target who knows Kira's name to come in contact with him before it can even be activated. Hayato ran off and no one was nearby, so he couldn't have done that. Again, NOT AN ASSPULL.

      Some of these are valid criticisms, but learn the definition of an asspull before blindly throwing the word around.

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    • Infant's Isopod wrote:

      Red432001 wrote:
      Part 4 had a shit ton of asspulls. Josuke’s ability was abused a lot and at times some stuff just doesn’t make sense. Like why couldn’t Josuke just “fix” Kira’s coat button. And Araki really wanted Kira to lose more than anything. Like Jotaro literally came back from the dead to punch Kira. And the final fight was scraping the bottom of the barrel for things that Josuke could do. Like lmao he fixed his blood. Kira could’ve used Bites the Dust earlier but he instead chose to chase Josuke and Echoes 3 freeze at the end was really infuriating. Kira had it pretty tough.

      Half of those aren't even asspulls.

      1. Josuke's power doesn't fix things, it restores them to a state that Josuke chooses, and they don't even have to be reconstructed properly if he so desires. None of the instances where he uses it break those rules. Thus, not an asspull.

      2. Not fixing Kira's coat button isn't an asspull, either, that's a plothole.

      3. Jotaro wasn't dead. Not an asspull.

      4. Josuke was always shown to be able to restore blood, what the fuck are you on about? Not an asspull.

      5. Bites the Dust requires a Standless target who knows Kira's name to come in contact with him before it can even be activated. Hayato ran off and no one was nearby, so he couldn't have done that. Again, NOT AN ASSPULL.

      Some of these are valid criticisms, but learn the definition of an asspull before blindly throwing the word around.

      While I agree with the first three, Josuke actually smeared blood on the heart-shaped glass and threw it so that it would return to some more of his blood on Kira’s coat. He’d bled all over the street they were fighting in a while back. Why did it specifically return to the blood on Kira’s coat? And what about the panty guy Kira killed? Couldn’t he have used bites the dust on him?

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    • The panty guy? He did not know at all who Kira or Kosaku was. So Bites the Dust wouldn't of worked.

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    • Red432001 wrote:

      Infant's Isopod wrote:

      Red432001 wrote:
      Part 4 had a shit ton of asspulls. Josuke’s ability was abused a lot and at times some stuff just doesn’t make sense. Like why couldn’t Josuke just “fix” Kira’s coat button. And Araki really wanted Kira to lose more than anything. Like Jotaro literally came back from the dead to punch Kira. And the final fight was scraping the bottom of the barrel for things that Josuke could do. Like lmao he fixed his blood. Kira could’ve used Bites the Dust earlier but he instead chose to chase Josuke and Echoes 3 freeze at the end was really infuriating. Kira had it pretty tough.
      Half of those aren't even asspulls.

      1. Josuke's power doesn't fix things, it restores them to a state that Josuke chooses, and they don't even have to be reconstructed properly if he so desires. None of the instances where he uses it break those rules. Thus, not an asspull.

      2. Not fixing Kira's coat button isn't an asspull, either, that's a plothole.

      3. Jotaro wasn't dead. Not an asspull.

      4. Josuke was always shown to be able to restore blood, what the fuck are you on about? Not an asspull.

      5. Bites the Dust requires a Standless target who knows Kira's name to come in contact with him before it can even be activated. Hayato ran off and no one was nearby, so he couldn't have done that. Again, NOT AN ASSPULL.

      Some of these are valid criticisms, but learn the definition of an asspull before blindly throwing the word around.

      While I agree with the first three, Josuke actually smeared blood on the heart-shaped glass and threw it so that it would return to some more of his blood on Kira’s coat. He’d bled all over the street they were fighting in a while back. Why did it specifically return to the blood on Kira’s coat?

      And what about the panty guy Kira killed? Couldn’t he have used bites the dust on him?

      I'm pretty sure we already clarified that Josuke can choose which part of an object he's restoring returns to which other part. He can probably omit restoring certain aspects of it if he wants.

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    • Also, The World isn't a byproduct of the Joestar bloodline. It's the reverse. If anything, Star Platinum is probably a byproduct of The World and Jonathan combined. That would honestly make more sense to me, considering Star Platinum looks more like Jonathan than The World does.
      

      [Edit: sorry about the scrolling quote. I'm new to this editor & not quite sure what I screwed up] Except that when Star Platinum first shows up in the manga, it looks like Jotaro in cosplay armor & longer hair. The facial expressions even mirror Jotaro's exactly at first. Then they become the emotions that Jotaro isn't showing on his own face (at one point Star Platinum destroys something with a broad grin on it's face while Jotaro keeps his usual ironic expression). It's only quite a bit later that Star Platinum starts looking like an android because Araki decided all the Stands should have a mecha look. Then its face diverges from its Jojo.

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    • MSEAdvanced wrote: The entirety of part 2, in fact Joseph had so many ass pulls he managed to transfer them to Jotaro to beat DIO

      I put forth the idea that the tommy gun & grenades & various other items that would be hard to hide by sleight of hand actually were residing in "Hammer Space." That's the pocket dimension usually located somewhere behind a character's back where they pull out giant hentai hammers, swords, bombs, etc. Snrk. Just about where a stand first shows up, come to think of it. But that spot behind you that can hide huge objects of mayhem is a time-honored tradition going back to the old Looney Toons cartoons of the 1930s.

      So Joseph the Trickster can pull things out of empty space like Bugs Bunny. That first scene of Jotaro in jail, when he pulls the beer out of his pocket? I said, "Look, he inherited Joseph's ability to pull things out of nowhere! He must be a Joestar."

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    • Scotchfairy wrote:
      Also, The World isn't a byproduct of the Joestar bloodline. It's the reverse. If anything, Star Platinum is probably a byproduct of The World and Jonathan combined. That would honestly make more sense to me, considering Star Platinum looks more like Jonathan than The World does.
      

      [Edit: sorry about the scrolling quote. I'm new to this editor & not quite sure what I screwed up] Except that when Star Platinum first shows up in the manga, it looks like Jotaro in cosplay armor & longer hair. The facial expressions even mirror Jotaro's exactly at first. Then they become the emotions that Jotaro isn't showing on his own face (at one point Star Platinum destroys something with a broad grin on it's face while Jotaro keeps his usual ironic expression). It's only quite a bit later that Star Platinum starts looking like an android because Araki decided all the Stands should have a mecha look. Then its face diverges from its Jojo.

      And how does that relate to anything I said...?

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    • The fact that DIO subconsciously knew that someone was watching him in Stardust Crusaders after the Hermit Purple Picture was taken. If you were to say that it was because of Jonathan's Late Stand, then it shouldn't be possible due to DIO having started the Stands in the Joestar Bloodline. Also, one person can't have two stands (Just different forms or abilites like with Echoes and Killer Queen). 

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    • Compared to other ones in this, both of those are weak. That's not even the worst for Dio.

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    • Sticky Fingers Ari wrote:
      The fact that DIO subconsciously knew that someone was watching him in Stardust Crusaders after the Hermit Purple Picture was taken. If you were to say that it was because of Jonathan's Late Stand, then it shouldn't be possible due to DIO having started the Stands in the Joestar Bloodline. Also, one person can't have two stands (Just different forms or abilites like with Echoes and Killer Queen). 

      Yeah, DIO started the Stands in the Joestar bloodline...

      After being stabbed with a Stand Arrow. While he had Jonathan's torso, arms and lower body. Thus awakening Jonathan's Stand. It's not that complicated.

      Also no, it's been shown that a Stand user can use the Stands of deceased individuals as long as they possess their bodies. Diavolo was still able to use Epitaph ALONGSIDE King Crimson, even after Doppio was forced out of his body and then promptly killed. It stands to reason that the same should apply to DIO and Jonathan.

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    • Pretty much the entire JOJO series is a never ending stream of ass pull. A lot of you seem to take issue with petty stuff while ignoring the actual important stuff. I've read all parts years ago so I don't fully remember everything but I'll mention what I can recall.

      Let's start with part 4, Jotaro's time-stop being shorter in duration because if I recall correctly "he haden't used it since his fight with Dio and he was basically rusty". This sounds like total bullshit. First off, Araki stated that stand users will be drawn to eachother (almost as if its destiny) and often times that turns into them fighting. Jotaro killed Dio who had tons of underlings who devoted their lives to him and some who were still alive. You mean to tell me that we wouldn't expect Jotaro to have to fight any of them again or new enemys duing the time between part 3-4 and that he would't use his greatest ability again during those fights? Even if it was just to practice? This sounds totally unrealistic to the point that is bullshit and Araki couldn't think of a better way to write the story with Jotaro have the time stop.

      Kira. There were so many times where Kira evaded being killed and it was extremely unrealistic most of the time.



      Part 5. Most of the fights were ass pull. Lets start with Fugo's fight with Illusio. Giorno infected him with PH which is supposed to kill organism within 30 seconds but yet both of them manged to survive for what clearly seems to be longer than 30 seconds. I get that he wouldn't want to kill Girono off like that but if you re-read it there is a considerable amount of dialouge and action between the time when griono first gets infected and when he heals himself. The virus only infects his hand and doesn't spread like it logically should.

      Mista getting shot in the head by Prosciutto. Now I know sex pistos stopped the bullets from fully penetrating but they still punctured his head and caused a lot of blood loss. Mista was ingured long enough to likely die from all the blood loss. Yet he magically survives.

      Mista surviving all the damage (gun shots, blood loss) from the fight with Ghiaccio is another ass pull,even though I like mista he should not have survived that.

      Risoto vs Doppio. This is probably the biggest ass-pull in part 5 for me. During their fight, risoto forces Doppio to rip open his throat, he cuts his face in multiple places and ways and causes him to logically lose a lot of blood. After their fight he eats a frog to restore all the blood loss? This this such ridiclous ass pull. First off frogs have different blood cells from humans so their blood wouldn't help us, secondly a single frog doesn't have anywhere near enough blood to replinish the blood of someone who just pulled scissors out of thier throat and endured the damage Doppio did. Thirdly, even the the frog did have enough blood to replnish him, what about the open wounds Risoto caused? Diavolo doesn't have a healing ablility, how did he heal his riped open throat or other wounds? Just more bullshit from Araki.

      Part 6. This is probably the most dissipointing part to me due to all the ass pull. Jotaro not using his time stop against Pucci to stop him from taking his stand was bullshit.

      Pucci's first fight with Weather when he evades all of his attacts was unrealistic ass pull and so was his last fight. Weather should have killed him on both ocassions but Araki choose to pull bad writing out of his ass as usual.

      There's a lot more but I'll end it here. I'm still a fan of JOJO but Araki isn't consistant and just does what he wants whenever he wants without any real logcical consistancy. And this often weakens the story and characters  and leads to dissipointing fights.

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    • You are forgetting the fact that these are for asspulls that actually are bad and were done just because Araki was backed into a corner and needed to have an explanation for someone to last longer or to keep the story going.

      - Jotaro not being able to stop time for as much as he could in Part 3 is not hindering the plot or Jotaro at all.

      - Give at least one example of how Kira did an asspull when you are going to say he did a bunch of asspulls

      - Illuso's example was true, but it doesn't have any plot importance anyway. He was going to die, so why not let him last a little longer? He still died, but got to show off some more. Beyond the fact that this is a really minor nitpick

      - Mista was already shown to be a lucky person. That was his thing; he believed in bad luck, and experienced the most luck. Look at Rolling Stone for example. This can easily be interpreted at Araki wanting to prove this even more. If not, then yeah it's pretty unrealistic.

      - Doppio didn't eat the frog to replenish his blood. He did so he could replenish his iron supply, which Metallica reduced with all the things that cut him up.

      - Jotaro didn't stop time before Whitesnake could steal his discs because he had JUST used it to push Jolyne out of the way from Johngalli A's bullets.

      - I do not remember Weather Report having two fights after losing his memory, but it doesn't even matter because you don't describe them. Even so, I would hope they aren't just minor nitpicks.

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    • Locopopo wrote:

      Mista getting shot in the head by Prosciutto. Now I know sex pistos stopped the bullets from fully penetrating but they still punctured his head and caused a lot of blood loss. Mista was ingured long enough to likely die from all the blood loss. Yet he magically survives.

      Mista's injuries were nowhere near fatal. Sex Pistols are shown to be capable of kicking bullets with enough force to redirect them whilst maintaining their full momentum. If the bullets went any deeper than his skull, he'd likely suffer from long-term effects, but he doesn't, so it's implied they were skin-deep or at least barely made it past his skull. That's nowhere near fatal considering how little blood there is between the skull and the scalp.

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    • Infant's Isopod wrote:
      Sticky Fingers Ari wrote:
      The fact that DIO subconsciously knew that someone was watching him in Stardust Crusaders after the Hermit Purple Picture was taken. If you were to say that it was because of Jonathan's Late Stand, then it shouldn't be possible due to DIO having started the Stands in the Joestar Bloodline. Also, one person can't have two stands (Just different forms or abilites like with Echoes and Killer Queen). 
      Yeah, DIO started the Stands in the Joestar bloodline...

      After being stabbed with a Stand Arrow. While he had Jonathan's torso, arms and lower body. Thus awakening Jonathan's Stand. It's not that complicated.

      Also no, it's been shown that a Stand user can use the Stands of deceased individuals as long as they possess their bodies. Diavolo was still able to use Epitaph ALONGSIDE King Crimson, even after Doppio was forced out of his body and then promptly killed. It stands to reason that the same should apply to DIO and Jonathan.

      I had forgotten about that,"As long as they have the body" thing.

      Thank You!

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    • All of part 6, really. As stated above, Araki came up with numerous very important plot points that, if existing in th Jojo world, should have been brought up earlier, yet they’ve had no foreshadowing whatsoever. Like, at all. It was also never explained how DIO knew how to achieve heaven. Just outta nowhere. He knows how to upgrade his stand to the most powerful thing of all time, somehow. He’d only known about stands for 2 years, for crying out loud!

      Also Stroheim dying in the Battle of Stalingrad. When I read that, I was like ‘Yeah, no he fucking didn’t. Don’t lie, Araki.’

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    • Seventy96 wrote:
      In my opinion is Joseph win against ultimate Kars.
      the time when jorato beat the shit out of kira even when he was severly hurt and had blood everywhere on his body.
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    • Engardian wrote:
      All of part 6, really. As stated above, Araki came up with numerous very important plot points that, if existing in th Jojo world, should have been brought up earlier, yet they’ve had no foreshadowing whatsoever. Like, at all. It was also never explained how DIO knew how to achieve heaven. Just outta nowhere. He knows how to upgrade his stand to the most powerful thing of all time, somehow. He’d only known about stands for 2 years, for crying out loud!

      Also Stroheim dying in the Battle of Stalingrad. When I read that, I was like ‘Yeah, no he fucking didn’t. Don’t lie, Araki.’

      Stroheim's attacks were mainly for killing vampires so in reality it shouldn't be useful against other humans (although they also said it gave him the power of a pillar man). He could've been sniped or blown up! Either way he took the last train home...

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    • Kazanshin wrote:

      Kakorat wrote:
      Probably the Requiem ability.

      I second this.

      I third this.

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    • It’s definitely requiem. Imagine being the boss of a successful mafia while also being hidden only for some random kid with donuts in his hair to force you out of your hiding spot and steal your arrow when your victory would have been imminent

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    • Requiem isn't an asspull. It had been established before Chariot Requiem or GER, as well as the final battle. It was no surprise that the winner of the fight was going to be the one to obtain a requiem ability, and Giorno was that person.

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    • Zodazzle wrote:
      Requiem isn't an asspull. It had been established before Chariot Requiem or GER, as well as the final battle. It was no surprise that the winner of the fight was going to be the one to obtain a requiem ability, and Giorno was that person.

      Requiem came a out of nowhere to justify how to beat an otherwise invincible Time Ability

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    • You realize that an asspull is when an author pulls something out of nowhere when they are literally backed into a corner. The gang could of taken out Diavolo through normal means, as he can only really fight battles one on one. There was no contradiction to the requiem arrow, it had been brought up well before the final battle, and is simply just a plot element to continue the story along. A real asspull would be something that contradicts past facts such as DIO being so heavenly in Stone Ocean, or being overly sudden like Jotaro suddenly being able to stop time. And even if you think that it's an asspull, is it seriously the biggest out of everything the series offers?

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    • Guys, you know you all can argue that almost all villain defeats are asspulls. This is Jojo's BIZARRE Adventure. Things we refer to as 'asspulls' happen on a whim nearly every episode.

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    • Antydeth wrote:
      Guys, you know you all can argue that almost all villain defeats are asspulls. This is Jojo's BIZARRE Adventure. Things we refer to as 'asspulls' happen on a whim nearly every episode.

      We're here to argue about which asspulls is the biggest, don't try to appear smart.

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    • Requiem is still an asspull. Literally none of their stand abilities could defeat King Crimson’s time erasure so this requiem ability was thrown in. I wouldn’t have minded a requiem ability that wasn’t as broken as GER and watch it beat Diavolo but GER was just too OP and aggravating.

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    • How about PUCCI ABLE TO TAKE OTHER PEOPLES STANDS.

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    • Joseph.0.Joestar wrote: How about PUCCI ABLE TO TAKE OTHER PEOPLES STANDS.

      Yeah, that kind contradicts the ‘one stand per person’ thing(which was never followed very strictly anyway). I don’t know if I’d call that an ass-pull, as it is a problem, not a solution; definitely against earlier rule though.

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    • Nabukun wrote:
      Antydeth wrote:
      Guys, you know you all can argue that almost all villain defeats are asspulls. This is Jojo's BIZARRE Adventure. Things we refer to as 'asspulls' happen on a whim nearly every episode.
      We're here to argue about which asspulls is the biggest, don't try to appear smart.

      Okay captain Salt, don't need to hit me with that minecraft toxicness.

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    • Anty did have a point with the asspulls, though.

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    • Captain Salt XD

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    • If you want to argue that the requiem arrow is an asspull, you might as well say most methods of progressing a story are. The gang could of beaten Diavolo, as he says himself that his main weakness is when his opponents are together. This is mainly because his one element of surprise puts him right up front with his enemy. Gold Experience is also shown to be very powerful on it's own, and Giorno could totally use it in a creative way to beat Diavolo. But most likely to create a more monumental ending (and maybe even to get a new strongest stand), we end up getting the requiem arrow.

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    • I guess. I’m just kind of annoyed that such an awesome ability like King Crimson was defeated by such a broken ability. I would have liked to see him battling against the entire team and go down with a fight or something like you said. But meh.

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    • CrimsonDiavolo wrote:
      I guess. I’m just kind of annoyed that such an awesome ability like King Crimson was defeated by such a broken ability. I would have liked to see him battling against the entire team and go down with a fight or something like you said. But meh.

      Agree

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    • Antydeth wrote:
      Nabukun wrote:
      Antydeth wrote:
      Guys, you know you all can argue that almost all villain defeats are asspulls. This is Jojo's BIZARRE Adventure. Things we refer to as 'asspulls' happen on a whim nearly every episode.
      We're here to argue about which asspulls is the biggest, don't try to appear smart.
      Okay captain Salt, don't need to hit me with that minecraft toxicness.

      What you think as me being toxic, is me being frank. I will tolerate jabs at me, but not people like you criticizing the series on false grounds. Most fight ends are unexpected, but most of them make sense too. 

      @CrimsonDiavolo

      That's what great and one problem with Araki's writing. He does the unexpected and he will go sometimes so far in his ideas that the readers won't necessarily follow. GER makes sense thematically both as a foil to KC and as a punishment for Diavolo. My guess is that Araki considered the thing with Chariot Requiem to be the fight itself, but I can see why someone won't stand for an indirect battle of wits as a final fight.

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    • Yeah, that makes sense I guess. I guess the asspulls are sort of unexpected too and make it interesting

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    • CrimsonDiavolo wrote:
      Yeah, that makes sense I guess. I guess the asspulls are sort of unexpected too and make it interesting

      Bruh, why you always so right.

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    • s w e a t s

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    • okay Kakyoin.

      Kakyoin: You gonna eat that

      Jotaro: Nah

      Kakyoin: *takes cherry*

      Kakyoin: SLURP SLURP SLURP, LICK LICK, SLURP!

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