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  • This is so fucking bullshit!!! Dio should have stomped!

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    • I mean yeah that's one of my main problems with part 3 and why it's the bottom of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure for me and one of the reasons I dislike Jotaro Kujo.

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    • Star Platinum's true ability is to take Dio's ability anf say its his

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    • Enya said something like that to DIO: "To fully understand The World's power u need to believe in yourself and in your stands power"

      Jotaro did the same thing; Or u can just say Jotaro copied The World's ability to stop time...

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    • JohnCenaNation wrote:
      This is so fucking bullshit! Dio should have stomped!!!

      Stands can develop over time. Jotaro hadn't discovered SP's true ability until that fight. 

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    • well, DIO did take Jonathan's body in part 1, and The World could be half of Jonathan's stand. So that could mean Jotaro had inherited this attack and learned it during his fight with DIO.

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    • Why do you think he was able to move in the stopped time in the first place? He even said that if he had more time to pratice, he would be able to move for more seconds. This was hinting the fact that Jotaro's Star Platinum and The World are mirrowed Stands, and the battle with Dio was a way of him realising that.

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    • Sketchlooksatwiki wrote:
      well, DIO did take Jonathan's body in part 1, and The World could be half of Jonathan's stand. So that could mean Jotaro had inherited this attack and learned it during his fight with DIO.

      I'm not sure if the jonathan theory works as his soul is no longer present in the body. Only Dio's

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    • JokerJay779 wrote:
      I mean yeah that's one of my main problems with part 3 and why it's the bottom of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure for me and one of the reasons I dislike Jotaro Kujo.

      But Joseph beating all of the piller men by himself gets excused ? 

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    • Ah, Westerners and their "logic". Some cultural bagage is needed to get this so called asspull.

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    • Rainmain90 wrote:

      JokerJay779 wrote:
      I mean yeah that's one of my main problems with part 3 and why it's the bottom of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure for me and one of the reasons I dislike Jotaro Kujo.

      But Joseph beating all of the piller men by himself gets excused ? 

      I mean minus Ultimate Kars Joseph managed to beat each of them with strategy and Hamon. And Caesar helped a bit with Esidisi with finishing him off when he possessed Suzi Q as a brain.

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    • You can tell that araki was having hard time to write how Jotaro was going to defeat DIO. So he did an ass pull and tada! Jotaro now has the power to stop time because of concidence The World and Star Platinum are the same type of stand.

      jojo logic 101

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    • Can people stop getting pissed over a writing decision that was made over 20 years ago. Star Platinum was inherited from DIO, so it's ability can't be either?

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    • Let's face it though, it was very convenient that Jotaro could have time stop. I prefer to see that Araki at least made it that Jotaro merely had a fighting chance for most of the fight. It is only after DIO proves to be beyond power and mere cunning, that Jotaro is pushed into time stopping.

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    • SmolDonutboi
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    • Nabukun wrote:
      Let's face it though, it was very convenient that Jotaro could have time stop. I prefer to see that Araki at least made it that Jotaro merely had a fighting chance for most of the fight. It is only after DIO proves to be beyond power and mere cunning, that Jotaro is pushed into time stopping.

      Yeah same.

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    • ELSEERRESIETE
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    • Jotaro simply learned to do it at that moment, makes meaning that he has not discovered all his abilities, since Star Platinum had just manifested days ago. I do not think Araki has planned for Jotaro to stop time from the start, but I do not think he not knew how to defeat DIO either. The power of DIO appeared almost until the end, and the fight against jotaro began few chapters later, I do not believe that Araki has assigned power to DIO and then does not know how to defeat him (that reminds more of GER and crimson king), in that case I would have given him another power that was not so OP. I think Araki wanted the final fight to be between two men with stands that could stop time and fly, Araki if he wanted to give that power to Jotaro. But it does not make meaning to seek an explanation to that, at least not contradicted the established logic of the stands so much, and at least Jotaro did not master the technique instantly, had difficulties to master it and at least one effort was noted in both during the fight.

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    • I agree that he didn't have Star Platinum for a long time (although around 50 days may or may not be arguably enough), he did fight constantly. It's kind of similar to Johnny, who managed to learn 3 completely stronger ways to use Tusk in about 116 days. So it isn't that farfetched, although you could argue that Star Finger and Star Suck would take those positions. Also, Steel Ball Run is a decade apart, so take that for what it's worth to you.

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    • We all know there both the same Stands, im just gonna say something anyways, while the Roadroller was active Jotaro may have though about his Stand being the same as The World, so he may have just though since there both the same and The World can Time stop then Star Platinum could time stop aswell, so then he went for it and it worked and he Stopped time but since that was his first time Stopping time it took a while for dio to actually freeze.

      weird i had to say time over and over again

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    • It could be development , his stand has a high developmental potential stat

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    • Star Platinum is only a secondary stand, the primary stand is Jotaro's hat that fused with his hair and can make stands "The same type" as his owm.

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    • I think his stand orginally has it

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    • Stands are personification of one soul. Each one of them is unique. Even if Jotaro inheritted something from Jonathan, It shoudnt be realy possible for them to have nearly exactly the same stand.

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    • It’s clear. Jotaros true ability is to copy any stands ability

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    • Vishkugeta
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    • My personal take on this issue lies with Part 6. Now this includes major spoilers and anyone who doesn't want to read ahead of the anime should stop here. (How do I put up spoiler collapseables here?) I will throw out tho that it does feel like somewhat of a (retroactive) plot-device.










      Throwing Jolyne into Prison was a ploy by Pucci to lure Jotaro into his reach to attain the Road to Heaven. This was written down by Dio in his diary. Jotaro found it, read it and then proceeded to burn it. We do catch a glimpse of it in Part 3 and there is a dead space of time where he could have conceivably went back. Why is this important? Because in Part 6 we learn that Dio included the aforementioned Road to Heaven in it to transcend (to reach Heaven). The most important part here is that it is a journey, a journey Jotaro and Dio both went on to some degree and gained an incomplete ability from it. I say incomplete because we do see what a completed ability grants in the case of Pucci: The ability to *accelerate* time. This should not have been possible, as Pucci's original Stand had a different ability. And it even switched once before while he was On The Road, giving him a total of 3 abilities (that were never active at the same time, mind you). If The World and Star Platinum are truly the same type of stand, it would stand to argue that they would potentially gain identical abilities from it. Dio does stress after all that his Stand is needed to succeed on the Road. I won't go into spoilers how Pucci could have gotten it, I already spoiled enough. Also yes, I am saying that The World was originally just a really powerful and fast punching ghost just like Star Platinum. 

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    • Gakamis wrote:
      Stands are personification of one soul. Each one of them is unique. Even if Jotaro inheritted something from Jonathan, It shoudnt be realy possible for them to have nearly exactly the same stand.

      There is a precident for this, with Tomb of the Boom being inherited by each family member. Though I suppose that does beg the question why we don't have Purple Hermit: The World.

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    • CosmicAquaShade wrote:
      Gakamis wrote:
      Stands are personification of one soul. Each one of them is unique. Even if Jotaro inheritted something from Jonathan, It shoudnt be realy possible for them to have nearly exactly the same stand.
      There is a precident for this, with Tomb of the Boom being inherited by each family member. Though I suppose that does beg the question why we don't have Purple Hermit: The World.

      Tl;dr: Hermit Purple is linked to Hamon, which Jotaro and Josuke don't have and so they can have punching ghosts rather than vines.



      I'm pretty sure we have close to outright confirmation that Hermit Purple is linked to Hamon. Araki once said that if the Pillarmen could have seen Stands, they would have seen something like vines around Joseph.  Holly was the child of a (strong) Hamon user and a mother regularly exposed to it. She inherited the aptitude, but never awakened it. When her Stand was then forcibly brought out, it took the form of vines because of that.  But we have never seen Jotaro even asking about Hamon. So he likely never knew about it in the first place. Plus Araki wanted to let it fall and express his creativity through Stands. You can only do so much with Hamon.

      I'd also argue that Tomb of the Boom being shared is because of the family's awakening at the same time. So it took a form to compliment their cooperation strategies rather than because of their shared blood. They'd still have similar Stands, but with more distinct abilities. 

      Another interesting point in this argument are Josuke and Crazy Diamond. Direct line to Joseph, but no vines in sight. Probably because of the absence of Hamon. At which point I am back to the beginning of my argument. 

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    • I meaRainmain90 wrote:
      Sketchlooksatwiki wrote:
      well, DIO did take Jonathan's body in part 1, and The World could be half of Jonathan's stand. So that could mean Jotaro had inherited this attack and learned it during his fight with DIO.
      I'm not sure if the jonathan theory works as his soul is no longer present in the body. Only Dio's

      I mean dio had Jonathan's hermit purple

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    • As I recall, the original plan was always that Star Platinum would be able to stop time, and The World would be able to do it as well because it was originally meant to have the abilities of all the Tarot card Stands. Araki realized this would make DIO unstoppable, so it was ultimately scaled back to just having the same ability as Star Platinum, probably because Araki had already planned most of the fight around stopping time.

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    • dio having the sun would be funny

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    • Rainmain90 wrote:
      Sketchlooksatwiki wrote:
      well, DIO did take Jonathan's body in part 1, and The World could be half of Jonathan's stand. So that could mean Jotaro had inherited this attack and learned it during his fight with DIO.
      I'm not sure if the jonathan theory works as his soul is no longer present in the body. Only Dio's

      I like to go with the theory that Stand's are the manifestation of Hamon that has infused itself with the Meteor's virus to nullify it when it is within a person with "hamon potential" (awakening in any family members who also have Hamon potential). That's why I personally think it is Jonathan's Stand since vampires like DIO are undead and do not possess Hamon potential.

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    • The Blue Cryptid wrote:

      Rainmain90 wrote:
      Sketchlooksatwiki wrote:
      well, DIO did take Jonathan's body in part 1, and The World could be half of Jonathan's stand. So that could mean Jotaro had inherited this attack and learned it during his fight with DIO.
      I'm not sure if the jonathan theory works as his soul is no longer present in the body. Only Dio's

      I like to go with the theory that Stand's are the manifestation of Hamon that has infused itself with the Meteor's virus to nullify it when it is within a person with "hamon potential" (awakening in any family members who also have Hamon potential). That's why I personally think it is Jonathan's Stand since vampires like DIO are undead and do not possess Hamon potential.


      Steel Ball Run kinda disproves this though, since an alternate universe version of DIO who isn't a vampire appears, and his Stand is still The World.

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    • Steel Ball Run has nothing to do with the main jojo verse though.

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    • KarsMarsBars wrote: Steel Ball Run has nothing to do with the main jojo verse though.

      Right, but we see people who are pure alternate universe versions of characters from the original universe still have the same Stands, like Kira still having Killer Queen.

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    • Araki has shown time and time again that he is an author that evolves his story as he goes. Let's not forget the initial show-case of D4C. Or various Stand abilities that were used once.

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