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  • (Ok,i know i gonna get a lot of hate because of this title but bear with me)

    So i checked a review of Steel Ball Run on DeviantArt made by one of my favorite deviantartists and i found this bit:

    "Add to that the fact that his stand ,"Tusk", goes from silly but pratical to Deus Ex Machina territory."

    And that got me thinking:Was Tusk Act 4 a Deus Ex Machina?

    In case someone needs the definition:


    "An unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation"

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    • The whole fight they tried to attain the Super Spin state, hardly unexpected.

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    • Technically speaking? Pretty much every end to a jojo Part is a Deus Ex Machina, except for Part 1.

      Part 2 is an extremely fun part, that manages to employ memorable characters, a memorable plot, and a really interesting villain. The ending however, is absolute and utter asspull. Part 2 ends off with Joseph managing to outsmart Kars, who's ability at the time is far beyond most jojo antagonists physically, and shooting him into space with the red stone of Aja. This is completely unexpected, un-foreshadowed and unreasonable.

      Part 3, entails something even more asspully. Though part 3 is by far my favorite part, Jotaro defeating Dio seemed less like a "Jotaro manages to outsmart Dio." and more of a "Jotaro suddenly develops a new ability that makes him win because Araki needs him for part 4." People have even proposed that it would've been much more fitting to see Jotaro fight Dio normally, and run an endurance gauntlet against him, panning out the battle until the sun rises and kills dio. But evidently, Araki preferred to have a deus ex machina ending.

      Part 4, is just barely acceptable, the fact that Josuke just so happened to be in the right place at the right time to hear Kosaku Kawajiri confirm that he *is* Kira, is stretching it. However, the fight itself doesn't end off with Josuke suddenly developing the ability to reflect Kira's attack or anything, it ends off with Josuke managing to outsmart, outfox and outplay Kira. You could say that the rest of the morioh gang's presence was a Deus Ex Machina, but it was already established that they were nearby previously. If anything, Bites Za Dusto is Kira's own diabolus ex machina. Except, it failed.

      Part 5 ends off with Giorno using the requiem arrow and by chance gaining the ability to defeat Diavolo. Now, technically, this isn't much of a Deus ex machina either, but, for the sake of the argument, I'm going to say it is. Giorno's fight with Diavolo is pretty hopeless, and suddenly he completely shifts the tides of battle and uses the requiem arrow to pierce gold experience. It is previously stated that the requiem arrow gives the user their current truest desire, but, it had been set up with Chariot Requiem that it probably won't go smoothly when dealing with extremely powerful stands. GER itself is a bit of a deus ex machina, since it's absolutely immune to everything that Diavolo throws at it, and foreseeably everything else. It's sudden, sporadic, and only exists for the single arc. Requiem arrows aren't touched again outside of part 5. And yes, you could give the reason that the stand arrows are still in italy, but you're telling me that with the most-likely hundreds of stand users in the world, still living (there are a lot of dead ones.) that not' one thought to get the requiem arrow?

      Part 6's deus ex machina comes in the form of Emporio managing to obtain weather report through an asspull about Pucci's perspective. It's really, really stupid, and doesn't make much sense. I may be a bit harsh on this part's ending since it's what killed off Jotaro, my second favorite protagonist of JJBA, but I think that the way that Emporio obtains weather report is really convoluted and stupid.

      That brings us back to part 7. And what was the point of all of this? Well, the point is that, if you're going to consider Part 7 to have a deus ex machina ending via tusk act 4, then you better not discount the fact that Araki did this in 4 out of the 6 previous parts.

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    • But, I think by all means, that yes, Part 7 does end off with a Deus Ex Machina. Just not one as blatant as some of the others.

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    • OxyProxGamer wrote:
      Technically speaking? Pretty much every end to a jojo Part is a Deus Ex Machina, except for Part 1.

      Part 2 is an extremely fun part, that manages to employ memorable characters, a memorable plot, and a really interesting villain. The ending however, is absolute and utter asspull. Part 2 ends off with Joseph managing to outsmart Kars, who's ability at the time is far beyond most jojo antagonists physically, and shooting him into space with the red stone of Aja. This is completely unexpected, un-foreshadowed and unreasonable.

      Part 3, entails something even more asspully. Though part 3 is by far my favorite part, Jotaro defeating Dio seemed less like a "Jotaro manages to outsmart Dio." and more of a "Jotaro suddenly develops a new ability that makes him win because Araki needs him for part 4." People have even proposed that it would've been much more fitting to see Jotaro fight Dio normally, and run an endurance gauntlet against him, panning out the battle until the sun rises and kills dio. But evidently, Araki preferred to have a deus ex machina ending.

      Part 4, is just barely acceptable, the fact that Josuke just so happened to be in the right place at the right time to hear Kosaku Kawajiri confirm that he *is* Kira, is stretching it. However, the fight itself doesn't end off with Josuke suddenly developing the ability to reflect Kira's attack or anything, it ends off with Josuke managing to outsmart, outfox and outplay Kira. You could say that the rest of the morioh gang's presence was a Deus Ex Machina, but it was already established that they were nearby previously. If anything, Bites Za Dusto is Kira's own diabolus ex machina. Except, it failed.

      Part 5 ends off with Giorno using the requiem arrow and by chance gaining the ability to defeat Diavolo. Now, technically, this isn't much of a Deus ex machina either, but, for the sake of the argument, I'm going to say it is. Giorno's fight with Diavolo is pretty hopeless, and suddenly he completely shifts the tides of battle and uses the requiem arrow to pierce gold experience. It is previously stated that the requiem arrow gives the user their current truest desire, but, it had been set up with Chariot Requiem that it probably won't go smoothly when dealing with extremely powerful stands. GER itself is a bit of a deus ex machina, since it's absolutely immune to everything that Diavolo throws at it, and foreseeably everything else. It's sudden, sporadic, and only exists for the single arc. Requiem arrows aren't touched again outside of part 5. And yes, you could give the reason that the stand arrows are still in italy, but you're telling me that with the most-likely hundreds of stand users in the world, still living (there are a lot of dead ones.) that not' one thought to get the requiem arrow?

      Part 6's deus ex machina comes in the form of Emporio managing to obtain weather report through an asspull about Pucci's perspective. It's really, really stupid, and doesn't make much sense. I may be a bit harsh on this part's ending since it's what killed off Jotaro, my second favorite protagonist of JJBA, but I think that the way that Emporio obtains weather report is really convoluted and stupid.

      That brings us back to part 7. And what was the point of all of this? Well, the point is that, if you're going to consider Part 7 to have a deus ex machina ending via tusk act 4, then you better not discount the fact that Araki did this in 4 out of the 6 previous parts.

      Josuke hearing Kira state his name wasn't stretching it, Hayato explains that he had called Josuke when he was at home, stopping Josuke from waking up late and allowing for him to be at the right place at the right time.

      Giorno using the requiem arrow wasn't a deus ex machina at all. The requiem arrow had been established as the key to evolving a stand to great lengths and was the focal point of the final battle. It wasn't unexpected that when using it that he was going to get a stand that counters Diavolo in every way, since that's how the requiem arrow works. And not everyone knows about the requiem arrow, in fact only a few people are confirmed to know throughout Part 5.

      Emporio had been shown to be in possession of Weather Report's stand disc, and thus isn't really a deus ex machina.

      Now, Tusk Act 4 was not at all a deus ex machina. The whole fight against Funny Valentine was centered around whether Johnny could unlock the Super Spin or not.

      Tl;dr, the only real deus ex machinas (or at least the ones that were bullshit) were Battle Tendency's ending and Stardust Crusader's ending.

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    • Why the Battle Tendency ending is a deus ex machina?

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    • Because Joseph's hand coming out of nowhere is both unexpected and can be seen as very unrealistic.

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    • ...faaairrr pooooiiinnnnttt?

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    • I won't fight you Zodazzle, those are battles people simply can't win.

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    • "except for Part 1."



      Zepelli making up the ability to make Jonathan stronger was totally set up beforehand, yep.



      "Part 2 ends off with Joseph managing to outsmart Kars, who's ability at the time is far beyond most jojo antagonists physically, and shooting him into space with the red stone of Aja. This is completely unexpected, un-foreshadowed and unreasonable."

      No, he didn't outsmart Kars, it's specifically stated that it was purely some starnge instinct that moved his hand. And no, it wasn't un-foreshadowed, you just didn't pay attention. If Araki was asspulling, he would've left Kars burning in the lava. But he didn't, because it was also specifically stated that the red stone would be what defeated the pillar men.



      "Though part 3 is by far my favorite part, Jotaro defeating Dio seemed less like a 'Jotaro manages to outsmart Dio.' and more of a 'Jotaro suddenly develops a new ability that makes him win because Araki needs him for part 4.'"



      So we're just ignoring the whole fight of outwitting between Jotaro and DIO just because he gains a new ability. Ok that makes sense.



      "Part 4, is just barely acceptable, the fact that Josuke just so happened to be in the right place at the right time to hear Kosaku Kawajiri confirm that he *is* Kira, is stretching it."



      Did you even read any of the dialogue? It literally explains it as it's happening this time.



      "GER itself is a bit of a deus ex machina, since it's absolutely immune to everything that Diavolo throws at it, and foreseeably everything else. It's sudden, sporadic, and only exists for the single arc. Requiem arrows aren't touched again outside of part 5. And yes, you could give the reason that the stand arrows are still in italy, but you're telling me that with the most-likely hundreds of stand users in the world, still living (there are a lot of dead ones.) that not' one thought to get the requiem arrow?"



      It's not like the requiem arrow had already been set up to exist or anything, or that the battle itself was fighting for the arrow. And how the hell are any of the hundreds of stand users going to defeat GER?



      "Part 6's deus ex machina comes in the form of Emporio managing to obtain weather report through an asspull about Pucci's perspective. It's really, really stupid, and doesn't make much sense. I may be a bit harsh on this part's ending since it's what killed off Jotaro, my second favorite protagonist of JJBA, but I think that the way that Emporio obtains weather report is really convoluted and stupid."



      ...he literally tricked Pucci into hitting it into him. That's not convoluted or confusing at all.

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    • Yep, Tusk A4 is a full Deus Ex combining with natural and spin surroundings.  Why is this so confusing?

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    • OxyProxGamer wrote:
      Technically speaking? Pretty much every end to a jojo Part is a Deus Ex Machina, except for Part 1.

      Part 2 is an extremely fun part, that manages to employ memorable characters, a memorable plot, and a really interesting villain. The ending however, is absolute and utter asspull. Part 2 ends off with Joseph managing to outsmart Kars, who's ability at the time is far beyond most jojo antagonists physically, and shooting him into space with the red stone of Aja. This is completely unexpected, un-foreshadowed and unreasonable.

      Part 3, entails something even more asspully. Though part 3 is by far my favorite part, Jotaro defeating Dio seemed less like a "Jotaro manages to outsmart Dio." and more of a "Jotaro suddenly develops a new ability that makes him win because Araki needs him for part 4." People have even proposed that it would've been much more fitting to see Jotaro fight Dio normally, and run an endurance gauntlet against him, panning out the battle until the sun rises and kills dio. But evidently, Araki preferred to have a deus ex machina ending.

      Part 4, is just barely acceptable, the fact that Josuke just so happened to be in the right place at the right time to hear Kosaku Kawajiri confirm that he *is* Kira, is stretching it. However, the fight itself doesn't end off with Josuke suddenly developing the ability to reflect Kira's attack or anything, it ends off with Josuke managing to outsmart, outfox and outplay Kira. You could say that the rest of the morioh gang's presence was a Deus Ex Machina, but it was already established that they were nearby previously. If anything, Bites Za Dusto is Kira's own diabolus ex machina. Except, it failed.

      Part 5 ends off with Giorno using the requiem arrow and by chance gaining the ability to defeat Diavolo. Now, technically, this isn't much of a Deus ex machina either, but, for the sake of the argument, I'm going to say it is. Giorno's fight with Diavolo is pretty hopeless, and suddenly he completely shifts the tides of battle and uses the requiem arrow to pierce gold experience. It is previously stated that the requiem arrow gives the user their current truest desire, but, it had been set up with Chariot Requiem that it probably won't go smoothly when dealing with extremely powerful stands. GER itself is a bit of a deus ex machina, since it's absolutely immune to everything that Diavolo throws at it, and foreseeably everything else. It's sudden, sporadic, and only exists for the single arc. Requiem arrows aren't touched again outside of part 5. And yes, you could give the reason that the stand arrows are still in italy, but you're telling me that with the most-likely hundreds of stand users in the world, still living (there are a lot of dead ones.) that not' one thought to get the requiem arrow?

      Part 6's deus ex machina comes in the form of Emporio managing to obtain weather report through an asspull about Pucci's perspective. It's really, really stupid, and doesn't make much sense. I may be a bit harsh on this part's ending since it's what killed off Jotaro, my second favorite protagonist of JJBA, but I think that the way that Emporio obtains weather report is really convoluted and stupid.

      That brings us back to part 7. And what was the point of all of this? Well, the point is that, if you're going to consider Part 7 to have a deus ex machina ending via tusk act 4, then you better not discount the fact that Araki did this in 4 out of the 6 previous parts.

      What you said about part 5 is just bullshit. Why do you think the other stand users didn't go for that requiem arrow? CUZ NO ONE FUCKING KNEW SMARTASS! Polnareff just discovered it by mistake! He simply had that one arrow which was shaped slightly different from the rest and somehow Silver Chariot(after many fucking years of holding that arrow) accidentally pierced itself with that arrow. Don't tell me that a master chef has never accidentally poked or stabbed his hand with a knife. So anyways, Polnareff discovers the ability of THAT SPECIFIC arrow, Diavolo then finds out after witnessing SCR firsthand, SCR saves Polnareff and kills Doppio, while Polnareff tells everyone else what is going on. Now spoiler alert, the miracle of Requiem has been playing on FOR HALF THE FUQIN SHOW! Also it took MANY sacrifices to get there, so I wouldn't call it a Deus Ex Machina. Also in Part 7, Love Train is quite an asspull already while Tusk having a fourth act is quite well established based on the musical reference I believe, and the idea of Golden Spin was developed for many chapters and required the sacrifice of Gyro for Johnny to understand and perfect.

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    • Zodazzle wrote:
      OxyProxGamer wrote:
      Technically speaking? Pretty much every end to a jojo Part is a Deus Ex Machina, except for Part 1.

      Part 2 is an extremely fun part, that manages to employ memorable characters, a memorable plot, and a really interesting villain. The ending however, is absolute and utter asspull. Part 2 ends off with Joseph managing to outsmart Kars, who's ability at the time is far beyond most jojo antagonists physically, and shooting him into space with the red stone of Aja. This is completely unexpected, un-foreshadowed and unreasonable.

      Part 3, entails something even more asspully. Though part 3 is by far my favorite part, Jotaro defeating Dio seemed less like a "Jotaro manages to outsmart Dio." and more of a "Jotaro suddenly develops a new ability that makes him win because Araki needs him for part 4." People have even proposed that it would've been much more fitting to see Jotaro fight Dio normally, and run an endurance gauntlet against him, panning out the battle until the sun rises and kills dio. But evidently, Araki preferred to have a deus ex machina ending.

      Part 4, is just barely acceptable, the fact that Josuke just so happened to be in the right place at the right time to hear Kosaku Kawajiri confirm that he *is* Kira, is stretching it. However, the fight itself doesn't end off with Josuke suddenly developing the ability to reflect Kira's attack or anything, it ends off with Josuke managing to outsmart, outfox and outplay Kira. You could say that the rest of the morioh gang's presence was a Deus Ex Machina, but it was already established that they were nearby previously. If anything, Bites Za Dusto is Kira's own diabolus ex machina. Except, it failed.

      Part 5 ends off with Giorno using the requiem arrow and by chance gaining the ability to defeat Diavolo. Now, technically, this isn't much of a Deus ex machina either, but, for the sake of the argument, I'm going to say it is. Giorno's fight with Diavolo is pretty hopeless, and suddenly he completely shifts the tides of battle and uses the requiem arrow to pierce gold experience. It is previously stated that the requiem arrow gives the user their current truest desire, but, it had been set up with Chariot Requiem that it probably won't go smoothly when dealing with extremely powerful stands. GER itself is a bit of a deus ex machina, since it's absolutely immune to everything that Diavolo throws at it, and foreseeably everything else. It's sudden, sporadic, and only exists for the single arc. Requiem arrows aren't touched again outside of part 5. And yes, you could give the reason that the stand arrows are still in italy, but you're telling me that with the most-likely hundreds of stand users in the world, still living (there are a lot of dead ones.) that not' one thought to get the requiem arrow?

      Part 6's deus ex machina comes in the form of Emporio managing to obtain weather report through an asspull about Pucci's perspective. It's really, really stupid, and doesn't make much sense. I may be a bit harsh on this part's ending since it's what killed off Jotaro, my second favorite protagonist of JJBA, but I think that the way that Emporio obtains weather report is really convoluted and stupid.

      That brings us back to part 7. And what was the point of all of this? Well, the point is that, if you're going to consider Part 7 to have a deus ex machina ending via tusk act 4, then you better not discount the fact that Araki did this in 4 out of the 6 previous parts.

      Josuke hearing Kira state his name wasn't stretching it, Hayato explains that he had called Josuke when he was at home, stopping Josuke from waking up late and allowing for him to be at the right place at the right time.

      Giorno using the requiem arrow wasn't a deus ex machina at all. The requiem arrow had been established as the key to evolving a stand to great lengths and was the focal point of the final battle. It wasn't unexpected that when using it that he was going to get a stand that counters Diavolo in every way, since that's how the requiem arrow works. And not everyone knows about the requiem arrow, in fact only a few people are confirmed to know throughout Part 5.

      Emporio had been shown to be in possession of Weather Report's stand disc, and thus isn't really a deus ex machina.

      Now, Tusk Act 4 was not at all a deus ex machina. The whole fight against Funny Valentine was centered around whether Johnny could unlock the Super Spin or not.

      Tl;dr, the only real deus ex machinas (or at least the ones that were bullshit) were Battle Tendency's ending and Stardust Crusader's ending.

      yo dude I hope you don't get annoyed by this post but tbh part 3's ending was not really bullshit or a deus ex machina because you know how DIO's curse awakened Jotaro's stand and Holly's yeah and the fact Jotaro had time stop as soon as he got his stand which isn't really a deus ex machina but same time he only activated it when he was about to lose to DIO so it's half. Jonathans hermit purple was still working so it's probably because of that Jotaro got a counter to DIO's the world

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      It's gonna come back to bite me in the ass.
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    • You've all made your point.

      Thanks for correcting me.

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