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  • Something mainly regarding the anime only adaptation, but I feel it has added towards DOPPIO and NOT DIAVOLO being the original personality and the one that was Trish’s father. This is evident with: 1. The fact that when Solido Naso was born (I will explain below) his eyes were brown as opposed to the flash of red we see later 2. Although the eyes of Solido are obscured throughout the flashback, he is still quite shy and protective of the animals we see later. 3. We know for a fact thanks to [wiki’s timeline] that Trish was born BEFORE the photo and the fire yet Diavolo had only found out about the baby recently. 4. This is the same year Diavolo conveniently discovers the arrows and sells them to Enya. The fact that he knew about the arrows in the same year is suspicious

    Before I continue by interpretation of events, I must explain as to why he is kept on being referred to as Solido Naso here. And that is because I believe that this is the name given to him by the priest. I say this because it’s the only name that was ever used in that town by the two at the time. Plus Doppio never asks why HE supposedly died in 1986. So here is my theory:

    Doppio was born and given the name Solido Naso by the priest. Diavolo is still inside him, but just an inner flickering. Time passes and he meets Donatella Una. They fall in love and they have a child, Trish. The Boss isn’t too aware of this because he isn’t in charge. Either one of two things happen next: 1. Diavolo takes control one day after discovering his mother, burying her and setting the town on fire. He runs into the arrows in Egypt and sells them to Enya but one. Or 2. King Crimson manifests itself and helps Diavolo take control of Doppio (the mother a victim of his ability.) This motivates Diavolo to seek the arrows, etc. Now here is the kicker: Diavolo WIPES SOLIDO’S MEMORY. This is so he can protect his identity, but can also explain as to how NONE OF THEM CAN REMEMBER TRISH EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS BORN BEFORE THE PHOTO. That is all. Feel free to comment down below

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    • I like the theory, but I don't think there ever was a Solido Naso. It is stated that Diavolo's given name was Diavolo, however stupid it would be for a priest to really name a boy like this. Diavolo has used Solido Naso as an alias already back then.

      More, Trish is without doubt Diavolo's child. He remembers meeting Donatella, he and Trish have the same green eyes, and it is Diavolo who can mystically sense Trish, not Doppio.

      And it's best not to consider the dates of birth too much. They don't make sense.

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    • Nabukun wrote: I like the theory, but I don't think there ever was a Solido Naso. It is stated that Diavolo's given name was Diavolo, however stupid it would be for a priest to really name a boy like this. Diavolo has used Solido Naso as an alias already back then.

      More, Trish is without doubt Diavolo's child. He remembers meeting Donatella, he and Trish have the same green eyes, and it is Diavolo who can mystically sense Trish, not Doppio.

      And it's best not to consider the dates of birth too much. They don't make sense.

      I see, and I agree with your Diavolo point. What’s even more odd though is that Doppio doesn’t remember a thing despite both of them being born in the exact same time. Maybe Diavolo was able to see Vinegar and Donatella’s romance? I dunno; the eye thing I don’t have any defence for. Maybe Diavolo when he took over began to occupy the original body. Hence he can sense Trish possibly through blood?

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    • Nuthut1 wrote:

      Nabukun wrote: I like the theory, but I don't think there ever was a Solido Naso. It is stated that Diavolo's given name was Diavolo, however stupid it would be for a priest to really name a boy like this. Diavolo has used Solido Naso as an alias already back then.

      More, Trish is without doubt Diavolo's child. He remembers meeting Donatella, he and Trish have the same green eyes, and it is Diavolo who can mystically sense Trish, not Doppio.

      And it's best not to consider the dates of birth too much. They don't make sense.

      I see, and I agree with your Diavolo point. What’s even more odd though is that Doppio doesn’t remember a thing despite both of them being born in the exact same time. Maybe Diavolo was able to see Vinegar and Donatella’s romance? I dunno; the eye thing I don’t have any defence for. Maybe Diavolo when he took over began to occupy the original body. Hence he can sense Trish possibly through blood?

      (I tried to post this earlier, but something happened, and it didn't work, so I don't know if this will show up twice or not.)

      Disclaimer: I'm not a psychologist; I'm just someone with a large interest in psychology and Google.

      If we all agree that dissociative identity disorder is what Doppio/Diavolo has (just in an exaggerated way because this is JoJo), than we can pretty confidently say that Doppio is the original personality. DID usually starts at a very young age due to some/several kinds of abuse. Usually the original personality (OP) doesn't fully remember this, though, because the alter(s) form and take those memories instead. It's a protective measure, a defensive mechanism designed to protect the OP's mind. Additionally, the OP pretty much never remembers what happens when their alter(s) front, but the alter(s) remember what happens with the OP (and other alters, if there are any) fronts. This would explain why Doppio remembers nothing from his past but Diavolo does as well as why Doppio completely blacks out when not fronting. This could also be why Diavolo remembers Donatella, but not Doppio.

      In regards to Trish's green eyes and ability to sense Diavolo instead of Doppio, it's possible that Diavolo had been the one fronting during that relationship with Donatella. Again, DID starts at a young age, so it's not unlikely that Diavolo could have been the one fronting. Depending on when they discovered their mom and all of that stuff happened (pre-fire, of course), you could probably believe that Diavolo wasn't as awful as he is now. A lot of experiences and trauma probably lead to his current personality.

      A very good explanation of my point is this video .

      Of course there are still some inconsistencies; usually the alter(s) don't age while the OP does; at least in the anime, it really does seem like Doppio's the one dating Donatella; etc. I don't think ther's a perfect answer to the question, really, and we can all just draw our own conclusions. :)

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    • Here’s what I don’t understand. It says that DiD disorder happens when someone goes through trauma at a young age or somth8ng like that. So, what happened to Diavolo or Doppio when they were younger? I also think Diavolo is the original personality for a couple reasons. 1. Doppio translates to Double in italian. 2. Doppio didn’t know Trish existed or that he had a daughter. 3. Diavolo seems more in control as he’s able to give Doppio things like his blood when he made Bruno able to see doppio as trish. He’s also able to share King Crimson with Doppio. Doppio also doesn’t even know who Donatella was either while Diavolo did.

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    • Also the priest gave him the name Diavolo when he was born too

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    • CrimsonDiavolo wrote:

      Here’s what I don’t understand. It says that DiD disorder happens when someone goes through trauma at a young age or somth8ng like that. So, what happened to Diavolo or Doppio when they were younger?

      Abuse or something made him snap. It was said that the mom was pregnant for 2 years, so for all we know, there were always 2 souls in one body and Diavolo took over later and burned the village down(We were being told that the boy in the flashback was cowardly and clumsy, but polite which sounds like Doppio to me. The Boy in the flashback also had Doppio's voice).

      Doppio translates to Double in italian

      And Ghiaccios name means ice yet he is the most hot headed dude on earth. It doesn't rly mean shit.

      Doppio didn’t know Trish existed or that he had a daughter.

      Same goes to Diavolo. Amnesia is also a thing. And Diavolo can seemingly fuck with Doppio's memories as he didn't remember what happend to the fortune teller.

      Diavolo seems more in control as he’s able to give Doppio things like his blood when he made Bruno able to see doppio as trish

      Being more in control doesn't mean anything except that the original personality's brain created a self mechanism and this personality then took over. Also, wait, what? That was never said, was it. Trish looks more like Doppio than Diavolo anyways.

      He’s also able to share King Crimson with Doppio.

      Because they're 2 souls in one body and Diavolo just happens to be the one with a stand.

      Doppio also doesn’t even know who Donatella was either while Diavolo did.

      Again, amnesia. Doppio has shown signs of memory loss, he literally forgot what he was supposed to do just after Diavolo told him that and had a headache.

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